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Post by berkley on Mar 13, 2017 1:43:55 GMT -5
I always thought John Byrne was overrated. Nothing he's done - that I have read - stood out as being anything special. (Sorry!) I liked his stuff in the seventies and early eighties, and I think his Fantastic Four was probably the best run since Stan and Jack's (and has not really been bettered since) but he started to go downhill after moving to DC and I haven't really liked anything he's done since Superman. I feel much the same but my cut-off point was a little earlier: I'd stopped reading Marvel by the time he started his FF run, but I don't really care for what I've seen of it since, neither the artwork nor the writing. In fact, I think it was around the time he started writing that his artwork became less pleasing to my eyes. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Mar 13, 2017 10:08:39 GMT -5
I liked his stuff in the seventies and early eighties, and I think his Fantastic Four was probably the best run since Stan and Jack's (and has not really been bettered since) but he started to go downhill after moving to DC and I haven't really liked anything he's done since Superman. I feel much the same but my cut-off point was a little earlier: I'd stopped reading Marvel by the time he started his FF run, but I don't really care for what I've seen of it since, neither the artwork nor the writing. In fact, I think it was around the time he started writing that his artwork became less pleasing to my eyes. I had a similar experience, although I grew to like his artistic approach on Fantastic Four. It was a little too close to Kirby at first, at least to my taste, but evolved into something I really enjoyed; if nothing else, it was very generous. Lots and lots of details, very impressive designs and so on. It lacked the youthful exuberance of Iron Fist or X-Men, but had an impressive maturity. One thing that remained constant is that Byrne got costumes right. He might give them a Byrnian flair, but he was as attentive to detail as any hardcore fan would be (even when he wasn't a fan). |
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Post by MDG on Mar 13, 2017 11:12:59 GMT -5
When Byrne was firing on all cylinders, there probably wasn't a better creator of mainstream comics. I think it helped that, while he was heavily influenced by Adams, he wasn't afraid to be a little cartoony with things and his art remained expressive and lively, not stiff and labored like other people who started out wanting to be Adams (let's say Mike Grell).
The worst thing to happen to John Byrne was when he became "John Byrne."
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Post by kirby101 on Mar 13, 2017 12:21:21 GMT -5
"Just Saying" and "There I said it" are basically the same thing.
There I said it, just saying.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 18:52:42 GMT -5
I remember when he was "Mr Fix It". He would do a series & strip the characters back to basics & why they worked. Some ideas were brilliant like Namor's oxygen imbalance affecting his rage. His placing She-Hulk into FF actually worked. Others were not great like splitting Hulk & Banner into two separate beings, no Superboy or his solution to Donna Troy in WW.
Bryne & Perez were THE talents to look for in the 80's!
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Mar 13, 2017 19:01:03 GMT -5
Apparently someone's first John Byrne book wasn't Aliens: Earth Angel.
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Post by james on Mar 13, 2017 19:15:28 GMT -5
I've long thought that Byrne is his era's Adams. If Byrne is that era's Adams what does that make Perez. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Mar 13, 2017 19:19:01 GMT -5
I've long thought that Byrne is his era's Adams. If Byrne is that era's Adams what does that make Perez. Perez didn't generate many imitators, either in drawing style or storytelling techniques. Apart from Phil Jimenez, I can't think of anyone who drew like him. Not to say he isn't as good as Byrne; just that the admiration people had for him didn't translate into imitation as much as was the case for the latter. |
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Post by james on Mar 13, 2017 19:21:06 GMT -5
If Byrne is that era's Adams what does that make Perez. Perez didn't generate many imitators, either in drawing style or storytelling techniques. Apart from Phil Jimenez, I can't think of anyone who drew like him. Not to say he isn't as good as Byrne; just that the admiration people had for him didn't translate into imitation as much as was the case for the latter. That's fair. I just think Byrne and Perez were the two best of their era. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 19:31:28 GMT -5
Jim Lee probably is considered as from a different era than Byrne and Perez, though they overlapped. I think Jim Lee is near the same talent level, but I'm not sure he's been nearly as prolific as Byrne and Perez. Thoughts?
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Post by james on Mar 13, 2017 20:37:45 GMT -5
Jim Lee probably is considered as from a different era than Byrne and Perez, though they overlapped. I think Jim Lee is near the same talent level, but I'm not sure he's been nearly as prolific as Byrne and Perez. Thoughts? With a due respect to Mr Lee I wouldn't consider him in their talent level st their prime. |
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Post by james on Mar 13, 2017 20:39:35 GMT -5
Jim Lee probably is considered as from a different era than Byrne and Perez, though they overlapped. I think Jim Lee is near the same talent level, but I'm not sure he's been nearly as prolific as Byrne and Perez. Thoughts? With all due respect to Mr. Lee I just don't think he's close to Byrne and Perez in talent. He was good but they were great in their prime. |
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Post by Cei-U! on Mar 13, 2017 20:43:35 GMT -5
I would have loved to see a Justice Society series or a Capt Marvel series by Byrne. The last title I read that he did was the Superman/Batman: Generations II mini series. Having seen the grotesque dwarf he called "Billy Batson" in the Legends mini-series, the "pleasure" of a Byrne Captain Marvel can be indefinitely postponed as far as I'm concerned. Ugh. Cei-U! The man can't draw kids! |
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Post by MDG on Mar 13, 2017 20:52:58 GMT -5
I would have loved to see a Justice Society series or a Capt Marvel series by Byrne. The last title I read that he did was the Superman/Batman: Generations II mini series. Having seen the grotesque dwarf he called "Billy Batson" in the Legends mini-series, the "pleasure" of a Byrne Captain Marvel can be indefinitely postponed as far as I'm concerned. Ugh. Cei-U! The man can't draw kids! Yeah--but it seemed in the 80s that drawing children was "kryptonite" for a few artists. Re: Byrne v. Perez--for whatever reason, I always looked at Perez as "just an artist," while I felt Byrne was more involved in story and character development. Maybe because X-Men pretty much fell off a cliff as soon as he left. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 21:09:18 GMT -5
I would have loved to see a Justice Society series or a Capt Marvel series by Byrne. The last title I read that he did was the Superman/Batman: Generations II mini series. Having seen the grotesque dwarf he called "Billy Batson" in the Legends mini-series, the "pleasure" of a Byrne Captain Marvel can be indefinitely postponed as far as I'm concerned. Ugh. Cei-U! The man can't draw kids! Most comic book artists can't draw kids....I don't think he was that bad. |
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