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Post by Roquefort Raider on Aug 2, 2017 7:56:42 GMT -5
Mmm, I think the Kirby/Adams comparison is a pretty good one, to my eye anyway. Byrne was really good at taking the core of the house style of Marvel superheroics codified by Kirby and Buscema and giving it a more detailed stylistic overlay like Adams. Very well put. Byrne did the same with his scripts on the Fantastic Four: take the core of Stan and Jack's creation and adapt it to the '80s. Truly adapt it, and not just hammer a 1960s peg into a 1980s hole. I don't think any other writer ever handled the "appearance of change" aspect of ongoing series better than he did on that title.
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Post by tarkintino on Aug 2, 2017 9:32:23 GMT -5
I'm quite shocked at the disrespect being shown John Byrne. He was the biggest thing in the late 70's to late 80's. He literally was given Superman to do what he wished, THAT'S how big he was. I will agree that now , he's not employable and his stupid comments over the years have hurt him, but his legacy as one of the greats is secured. I think that's stretching Byrne's run, and ignoring how his earlier work was only successful thanks to the more-than-shaping inks of Terry Austin. Moreover, by the start of the 80's, George Perez (who--in the 1970s--had already dazzled comic fans on The Avengers and the film adaptation of Logan's Run) had made an earth-shaking splash (and slight streamlining of his style) with DC's The New Teen Titans. Perez not only mastered the superhero style in a dramatic, plus wildly detail-oriented manner not seen since Neal Adams and Jim Aparo's heydays, but was one of the few artists capable of illustrating any character--an extremely rare talent in the annals of comic history. For example, Byrne (like Kirby) could not illustrate an acceptable Batman or Spider-Man if his life depended on it, but Perez had no trouble understanding the characters, and how to (if necessary) run with the traditions of the characters' best artists before him. I remember the 80s well, and Perez--moving from The New Teen Titans (and gracing other titles), to one of the few truly grand comic events of the remainder of the century ( Crisis on Infinite Earths) put most of the superhero-illustrating end of the industry on notice in the sense that one could always reach new heights. Byrne did not break similar ground, with his work (particularly post-Austin) just reduced to more of the same, not very self aware "Byrne-isms" that also plagued Kirby during the latter's last stint at Marvel.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Aug 2, 2017 14:52:49 GMT -5
Since Kirby has proven he can do romance, funny animals, westerns, war comics, superheroes, crime noir, mythology true divorce cases(!!) and cosmics stories, I really doubt that he would much trouble with Spider-man.
I liked Strange Tales Annual # 2 just fine (although that was bolstered by Ditko's inking.)
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Post by LovesGilKane on Aug 4, 2017 3:45:46 GMT -5
byrne could do romance, elegantly.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Aug 4, 2017 12:42:26 GMT -5
I just noticed that the 1970 version of The Outlaw Kid, a reprint book, lasted 11 issues longer than the original 1954 version. Just seems a bit strange to me. Westerns had pretty much run their course by 1970, whereas 1954 was right in the middle of the western boom on TV and it was still a big genre in theaters. The stories were pretty generic 50s comic fair, albeit with art by Doug Wildey, which is a plus. I just have no idea who was buying this book 1970-75.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Aug 4, 2017 12:51:57 GMT -5
I just noticed that the 1970 version of The Outlaw Kid, a reprint book, lasted 11 issues longer than the original 1954 version. Just seems a bit strange to me. Westerns had pretty much run their course by 1970, whereas 1954 was right in the middle of the western boom on TV and it was still a big genre in theaters. The stories were pretty generic 50s comic fair, albeit with art by Doug Wildey, which is a plus. I just have no idea who was buying this book 1970-75. And upon further review it looks like Friedrich and Ayers started doing new stories with number 11. Not that that would be my dream team, but it is something. I wonder how they were. And then it turned back into a reprint book with #17. Hmmmm.
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