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Post by berkley on Jun 27, 2017 2:44:15 GMT -5
Ordway's Power of Shazam it is, then - thanks to everyone for the recommendation!
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Post by hondobrode on Jun 27, 2017 20:03:21 GMT -5
I think you'll like it
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Post by Outrajs on Jul 30, 2017 11:51:08 GMT -5
 I miss John Byrne. Anyone else dying to pull out the colored pencils and go to town on this picture? |
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Post by james on Jul 30, 2017 12:18:57 GMT -5
I miss John Byrne. Anyone else dying to pull out the colored pencils and go to town on this picture? Yes! Byrne actually just released a coloring book with original story and art. |
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Post by Outrajs on Jul 30, 2017 19:50:29 GMT -5
Anyone else dying to pull out the colored pencils and go to town on this picture? Yes! Byrne actually just released a coloring book with original story and art. I NEED IT! I CAN'T LIVE WITHOUT IT! |
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Post by batusi on Jul 31, 2017 3:26:59 GMT -5
Byrne is not in the superstar league anymore. I suppose he still has die hard followers from the bygone era. Some of his commission pieces are OK, some look rushed with the typical identical facial smirks. I hear Byrne hates it when fans color his commission pieces. I love all of his work from the 70's and most of the 80's. I would not get even remotely excited if I heard he was returning to X-Men or FF.
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Post by LovesGilKane on Jul 31, 2017 3:41:16 GMT -5
Byrne is not in the superstar league anymore. I suppose he still has die hard followers from the bygone era. Some of his commission pieces are OK, some look rushed with the typical identical facial smirks. I hear Byrne hates it when fans color his commission pieces. I love all of his work from the 70's and most of the 80's. I would not get even remotely excited if I heard he was returning to X-Men or FF. well, okay. this does not mean he couldn't be a superstar IF he wanted to be, anymore. The logistics and pay-outs of the comics economy simply wouldn't be worth it to him anymore. politics be damned, INCENTIVE = QUALITY. Marvel pushing out books that sell less than 20 k = anti-incentive. I'd be willing to bet he'd make more from 6 months of commisions doing things his own way and royalties from past work than Erica Henderson has made in the past 2 years. |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Jul 31, 2017 10:05:32 GMT -5
Yeah, John Byrne.
I never quite got it. He's certainly a decent artist.
(Similarly, I don't get why you would need to be constantly slagging off Erica Henderson on the classic comics board. I really like her stuff, but it is more stylized and abstract, and her influences are WAY DIFFERENT than the traditional '70s/'80s Neal Adams school guys - which can be alienating to people of my age. She's incredibly good at depicting subtle mood through body language and is hugely creative in her "camera" work, "staging" - IE showing whatever she's drawing from multiple scenes, angles, and perspectives while still effectively telling a story. And I value creativity in design and storytelling more than anything else in comic art. )
And I'm not doing that to John Byrne! I'm sure there's a reason he has the reputation he has. But I just don't quite get why fans love him so much more than his immediate contemporaries. He was really fast? Dunno.
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Post by MDG on Jul 31, 2017 10:35:38 GMT -5
I was never a huge Byrne fan, but one thing that set his art apart when he was coming up was that he seemed to put more effort in giving characters distinctive body types and postures than other artists in the 70s.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Jul 31, 2017 11:12:15 GMT -5
I was never a huge Byrne fan, but one thing that set his art apart when he was coming up was that he seemed to put more effort in giving characters distinctive body types and postures than other artists in the 70s. Oh, huh, I can totally see that. Gosh, I think I asked this question before and someone said that he was really good at showing how superhero characters use their powers and grounding them in tactile "reality." And his stuff is kind of the exact middle between "illustrative" and "cartoony." There are not a lot of artists who can do both. Although I guess Neal Adams got his start at Archie? So there's another one. |
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Post by tarkintino on Jul 31, 2017 18:37:40 GMT -5
Yeah, John Byrne. I never quite got it. He's certainly a decent artist.p Two words: Terry Austin. Austin was the reason Byrne's artwork was tolerable during the height of his popularity during the X-Menrun; without Austin, Byrne's leanings--the facial smirks/dimples, broad hairy chests, similar bodies for almost all characters was nothing great or groundbreaking. I've always believed you can always separate the great artists from the average by the ability to produce excellent work with or without a great inker (or any inker, for that matter). I've never considered Byrne to be one of those artists with that talent. I'm not sure what that other member meant, but Erica Henderson is not to my taste, as her work is just so far removed from the standard within the genre she's dealing with. It's like Harvey Comics or Marvel's old STAR imprint line for children. Curious--why do you find work from the "Neal Adams school" alienating? |
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Post by LovesGilKane on Aug 1, 2017 7:09:02 GMT -5
Yeah, John Byrne. I never quite got it. He's certainly a decent artist. (Similarly, I don't get why you would need to be constantly slagging off Erica Henderson on the classic comics board. I really like her stuff, but it is more stylized and abstract, and her influences are WAY DIFFERENT than the traditional '70s/'80s Neal Adams school guys - which can be alienating to people of my age. She's incredibly good at depicting subtle mood through body language and is hugely creative in her "camera" work, "staging" - IE showing whatever she's drawing from multiple scenes, angles, and perspectives while still effectively telling a story. And I value creativity in design and storytelling more than anything else in comic art. ) And I'm not doing that to John Byrne! I'm sure there's a reason he has the reputation he has. But I just don't quite get why fans love him so much more than his immediate contemporaries. He was really fast? Dunno. if i was a reader vs a previous freelancer, that might be fair. considering my comics work history, drawing/illustration, it is not. peers are free to salute or lambast fellow peers as they see fit. I've seen Erica Henderson's pre SG art and not slammed that, so you're forcing a straw-man hyperbole pie-slice in my mouth. my critical comments regarding her work only pertain to SG. and i disagree that 'She's incredibly good at depicting subtle mood through body language and is hugely creative in her "camera" work, "staging"...'
her work from 2 years before SG? no complaints, albeit too simplistic. in fact i've dropped a compliment to her page from time to time and never a slam. also , since my mileage varies, 'creativity in design and storytelling' in SG are not her strong suites. |
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Post by LovesGilKane on Aug 1, 2017 7:51:18 GMT -5
and as we can appreciate Erica Henderson's social politics without appreciating SG, we can appreciate Byrne's Iron Fist, Starlord, Rog 2000 and his Spidey-with-Red Sonja team-up while REVILING his politics.
fair is fair.
which won't ever change.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Aug 1, 2017 10:13:15 GMT -5
(...) we can appreciate Byrne's Iron Fist, Starlord, Rog 2000 and his Spidey-with-Red Sonja team-up while REVILING his politics. Absolutely. I never cared for his general public attitude, but man, could he draw great sci-fi and super-hero comics. His sense of design was amazing: Wolverine's brown costume, Vindicator draped in the Canadian flag, Four Freedom plaza, the Shi'ar Star Trekky cruiser; even his signature computer walls and consoles were a joy to look at. I think that in the '70s and '80s, only Michael Golden could draw technology that looked that good. He didn't have the whimsy of a Dave Cockrum when it came to create really alien designs, but what he came up with looked believable and functional... as well as very elegant. His storytelling was clean, and as is particularly apparent in his Iron Fist run, he enjoyed playing with page layouts in a rather Will Eisner-like fashion. It's true that his body types and faces were rather similar in the beginning, but he got better over time. That's something not many comic-book artists can say. |
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Aug 1, 2017 10:56:24 GMT -5
This is the first I ever saw of John Byrne. Imagine my hesitation at reading his much praised FF run. That said, he's just an okay artist to me. I think some other artist would have been a better fit for Sensational She-Hulk, but I still enjoyed it. His writing is mostly good. But never saw the appeal in his art, at least enough to go looking for something just because he drew it. |
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