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Post by MDG on Oct 12, 2017 10:19:14 GMT -5
Please take this with a truckload of salt, as I've been observing, rather than reading, new comics, for quite a while, but whenever I hear about the gimmicks Marvel has been using to juice up interest in their iconic characters, many of them sound like the kinds of Silver Age DC stories (imaginary and otherwise) that were derided -- and often still are -- as being juvenile and beneath the dignity of the medium. No, no, no, no, no! You're missing the point! Those stories were for kids! These are for grownups! Seriously, though, sometimes I wonder how long these characters can go on. Sure, there have been fictional heroes that have been around longer, going back to Odysseus, as well as characters that have generated new stories for longer (Tarzan, Sherlock Holmes), but have there ever been characters that have had new stories piled on month after month for 50 or 75 years? Sometimes they just seem so tired to me. |
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Post by Prince Hal on Oct 12, 2017 10:23:47 GMT -5
Please take this with a truckload of salt, as I've been observing, rather than reading, new comics, for quite a while, but whenever I hear about the gimmicks Marvel has been using to juice up interest in their iconic characters, many of them sound like the kinds of Silver Age DC stories (imaginary and otherwise) that were derided -- and often still are -- as being juvenile and beneath the dignity of the medium.
Seriously, though, sometimes I wonder how long these characters can go on. Sure, there have been fictional heroes that have been around longer, going back to Odysseus, as well as characters that have generated new stories for longer (Tarzan, Sherlock Holmes), but have there ever been characters that have had new stories piled on month after month for 50 or 75 years? Sometimes they just seem so tired to me. Love this! The only analogue I can think of off the top of my head is soap operas. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Oct 12, 2017 10:27:35 GMT -5
Why is it that Jim Hammond the original android of the MU and the ORIGINAL Human Torch cannot be allowed to be a Torch? Every writer in the world keeps on coming up with some BS as to keep him from being a true Torch and being shown on fire. What the Hell? We can have umpteen Spider-Man's running around and everybody and their brother can be a Captain America and every damn hero has become a legacy character with versions of them before, during and after their lifetime but we can't have 2 Flaming Torch's in the MU? Why can't the ORIGINAL be shown to having greater and more powerful flames or using them in very different ways without having to resort to dousing his flame? Come on Marvel Corporate! Let Hammond's birthright flame brightly for all to see. It's especially odd since the original Torch had Toro as a sidekick... |
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Post by tingramretro on Oct 12, 2017 11:15:02 GMT -5
Side-Note: It does bug me when, say, Spider-Man or Cap are replaced with out-and-out villains. Just no interest in that at all. I thought Superior Spider-Man was one of the best things Marvel put out in years. |
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Post by Rob Allen on Oct 12, 2017 13:55:22 GMT -5
A really crappy idea for a character was Scott Shaw!'s underground comix hero The Turd.
He cosplayed as The Turd at a con once by covering himself in peanut butter.
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Post by The Cheat on Oct 12, 2017 15:13:46 GMT -5
What is with this creepy obsession with Gwen Stacy anyway? Spider-Gwen, Gwenpool...anything else? Is this one writer's fetish? Gwenpool has nothing to do with Gwen Stacy. |
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Post by Cei-U! on Oct 12, 2017 15:25:50 GMT -5
Why is it that Jim Hammond the original android of the MU and the ORIGINAL Human Torch cannot be allowed to be a Torch? Every writer in the world keeps on coming up with some BS as to keep him from being a true Torch and being shown on fire. What the Hell? We can have umpteen Spider-Man's running around and everybody and their brother can be a Captain America and every damn hero has become a legacy character with versions of them before, during and after their lifetime but we can't have 2 Flaming Torch's in the MU? Why can't the ORIGINAL be shown to having greater and more powerful flames or using them in very different ways without having to resort to dousing his flame? Come on Marvel Corporate! Let Hammond's birthright flame brightly for all to see. It's especially odd since the original Torch had Toro as a sidekick... I'm pretty sure it all has to do with licensing. Any and all versions of the Human Torch are tied up in the deal with Fox for Fantastic Four. Marvel can use Jim Hammond but they won't let him be the Torch as long as Fox retains those rights. Cei-U! I summon the corporate fire extinguisher! |
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Post by Confessor on Oct 12, 2017 17:04:50 GMT -5
Side-Note: It does bug me when, say, Spider-Man or Cap are replaced with out-and-out villains. Just no interest in that at all. I thought Superior Spider-Man was one of the best things Marvel put out in years. It was the best run of Spider-Man comics since the end of J. Michael Strazyinski's run almost a decade earlier, that's for sure. You know a title is in trouble when a villain masquerading as the eponymous hero is more engaging and readable than the real hero has been for years. |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Oct 12, 2017 17:31:29 GMT -5
Thor's character as a well-adjusted jock (I love that expression!) is not a flaw, it is a feature! We need a few of those -the heroes who will step up to the plate and knock it out of the ballpark without being a jerk about it or agonize endlessly about how hard life is for them. I wouldn't want all heroes to be like that, of course, but with Thor it's just right. (Please, Marvel, cut that "Odinson" cr#p and give him his left arm back, already. If you want Jane to go on as Thor for a while, just let the real one relax with a barrel of mead for a few years). Except - at least during the Stan Lee era - he was always whining about his girlfriend problems and daddy issues and... the same stuff that every Marvel character complained about. I mean Thor CAN work when he has another character to play against....  Who is the more interesting and pivotal character in this scene? Yep, boring ol' Thor is getting upstaged by "Cab driver who appears in five panels and never again." If this were in a Spider-Man, Fantastic Four, Iron Man comic the actual hero who has their name on the book would be the focus of the scene. Not in Thor. Every other character in Thor is always more interesting than Thor. Again, I like Thor COMICS just fine. I can suffer through 14 pages of Thor going "Forsooth! I am going to do boring things boringly!" for 3 panels of Volstagg. |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Oct 12, 2017 19:31:13 GMT -5
What is with this creepy obsession with Gwen Stacy anyway? Spider-Gwen, Gwenpool...anything else? Is this one writer's fetish? Gwenpool has nothing to do with Gwen Stacy. What? How is that even possible. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2017 19:43:14 GMT -5
Gwenpool has nothing to do with Gwen Stacy. What? How is that even possible. From the ever reliable wikipedia (since I am not familiar with the character either)... -M |
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Post by berkley on Oct 12, 2017 19:46:40 GMT -5
Gwenpool has nothing to do with Gwen Stacy. What? How is that even possible. Next thing they'll tell us it doesn't have anything to do with pools of any kind, dead or otherwise. "It's just a name, isn't it. She could've been called the Shoe." * Come to think of it, does the name Deadpool make any sense? I've heard of someone being a dead shot, but have no idea what the words dead and pool are supposed to signify when put together. *(edit: to be heard in John Lennon's voice, for anyone who didn't get that reference) |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2017 19:49:29 GMT -5
What? How is that even possible. Next thing they'll tell us it doesn't have anything to do with pools of any kind, dead or otherwise. "It's just a name, isn't it. She could've been called the Shoe." Come to think of it, does the name Deadpool make any sense? I've heard of someone being a dead shot, but have no idea what the words dead and pool are supposed to signify when put together. I am sure it was inspired by the Clint Eastwood movie that was a Dirty Harry sequel...  -M |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Oct 12, 2017 19:58:52 GMT -5
What? How is that even possible. Next thing they'll tell us it doesn't have anything to do with pools of any kind, dead or otherwise. "It's just a name, isn't it. She could've been called the Shoe." Come to think of it, does the name Deadpool make any sense? I've heard of someone being a dead shot, but have no idea what the words dead and pool are supposed to signify when put together. I think the name is the best part of Deadpool! I mean, it's stupid, pointless, and nonsensical. But slightly less so than every other Deadpool trait. Definitely not one of Rob Leifeld's best days as a creator. (Also: I am getting Gwenpool trades out of the library right now. See what you guys made me do?!) |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Oct 12, 2017 21:23:01 GMT -5
Yeah, actually, now that I think none of my favorite current Marvel titles are the "legacy" books - except for Ms. Marvel. Squirrel Girl, Mockingbird, the Vision, Silver Surfer, Karnak, Moon Knight... I do like girl Thor, but you could write "Plank of Wood with a hammer" and I would think they were more interesting than old Thor. I don't really consider Ms. Marvel a legacy character... she has very little to do with the original. I think legacy can be great, if it makes sense. Stuff like Green Lantern, or when a character has a friend/side kick and retires to pass the mantle. The problem is most of the time they can't let go of the original... DC almost did in the 90s, and it was great. Then Geoff Johns happened  . Having the original along side the legacy character like Marvel does just emphasizes the derivative nature and makes the newer version feel like a cheap copy, even if the stories are good like Thor. Also, I agree Spider-Gwen is a really, really dumb idea. I'll admit I've not read it though, so if it's a great book, fine. The concept is simply too silly for me to even consider reading it. |
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