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Post by rberman on Dec 13, 2018 22:36:47 GMT -5
What's the story on 90s Huntress?  |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Dec 15, 2018 5:30:21 GMT -5
Catholic!
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Post by rberman on Dec 15, 2018 8:52:10 GMT -5
Was she in any titles that elaborate on this? Her religious expression in JLA is limited to saying "Mary, Mother of God!" as a catchphrase, while wearing a Protestant-style cross as seen above. |
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Post by MDG on Dec 15, 2018 9:33:51 GMT -5
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Post by Dizzy D on Dec 18, 2018 5:15:43 GMT -5
Was she in any titles that elaborate on this? Her religious expression in JLA is limited to saying "Mary, Mother of God!" as a catchphrase, while wearing a Protestant-style cross as seen above. She was a big part of Birds of Prey. She is from an Italian-American family (who more often than not are Catholic) and BoP went more into her relationship with her religion. She was a lapsed Catholic at the beginning of BoP, but over time she started to reconnect with the church again.
(I also don't know what a Protestant-style cross is opposed to a Catholic one.)
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Post by The Captain on Dec 18, 2018 6:01:52 GMT -5
Was she in any titles that elaborate on this? Her religious expression in JLA is limited to saying "Mary, Mother of God!" as a catchphrase, while wearing a Protestant-style cross as seen above. She was a big part of Birds of Prey. She is from an Italian-American family (who more often than not are Catholic) and BoP went more into her relationship with her religion. She was a lapsed Catholic at the beginning of BoP, but over time she started to reconnect with the church again.
(I also don't know what a Protestant-style cross is opposed to a Catholic one.)
Most likely the reference to a "Protestant" cross was that it is empty, whereas Catholic iconography usually shows Christ hanging from the cross (hence the term "crucifix"). Between the two groups, Catholics focus on Christ's sacrifice, suffering and death on the cross to redeem mankind, while Protestants focus on the bare cross to emphasize his resurrection. The argument by Protestants is that it is not Jesus's death that saved humanity but rather his overcoming the grave through his resurrection (and eventual ascendance into Heaven) that is the true redeeming act. |
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Post by Dizzy D on Dec 18, 2018 7:39:49 GMT -5
She was a big part of Birds of Prey. She is from an Italian-American family (who more often than not are Catholic) and BoP went more into her relationship with her religion. She was a lapsed Catholic at the beginning of BoP, but over time she started to reconnect with the church again.
(I also don't know what a Protestant-style cross is opposed to a Catholic one.)
Most likely the reference to a "Protestant" cross was that it is empty, whereas Catholic iconography usually shows Christ hanging from the cross (hence the term "crucifix"). Between the two groups, Catholics focus on Christ's sacrifice, suffering and death on the cross to redeem mankind, while Protestants focus on the bare cross to emphasize his resurrection. The argument by Protestants is that it is not Jesus's death that saved humanity but rather his overcoming the grave through his resurrection (and eventual ascendance into Heaven) that is the true redeeming act.
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Not in my experience at least. I don't think any of the crosses my mother wore ever had a Christ on it. Same for most crosses worn by pastors, monks and nuns that I've met. Is this an American Catholic thing? Because I've noticed quite a few differences between locations of what is supposed to be the same religion.
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Post by The Captain on Dec 18, 2018 7:45:07 GMT -5
Most likely the reference to a "Protestant" cross was that it is empty, whereas Catholic iconography usually shows Christ hanging from the cross (hence the term "crucifix"). Between the two groups, Catholics focus on Christ's sacrifice, suffering and death on the cross to redeem mankind, while Protestants focus on the bare cross to emphasize his resurrection. The argument by Protestants is that it is not Jesus's death that saved humanity but rather his overcoming the grave through his resurrection (and eventual ascendance into Heaven) that is the true redeeming act.
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Not in my experience at least. I don't any of the crosses my mother wore ever had a Christ on it. Same for most crosses worn by pastors, monks and nuns that I've met.
Personally-worn crosses are different than those displayed in a house of worship, as you'll never see a crucifix in a Protestant church, and while I haven't seen many crucifixes being worn by individuals, all of those I have seen have been on Catholics. It's that the crucifix is associated with Catholicism, while the empty cross is associated with Protestantism. |
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Post by rberman on Dec 18, 2018 7:52:44 GMT -5
< Raised Catholic.
Not in my experience at least. I don't any of the crosses my mother wore ever had a Christ on it. Same for most crosses worn by pastors, monks and nuns that I've met.
Personally-worn crosses are different than those displayed in a house of worship, as you'll never see a crucifix in a Protestant church, and while I haven't seen many crucifixes being worn by individuals, all of those I have seen have been on Catholics. This answers my question. I've seen many crucifixes in Catholic Churches and none in Protestant Churches and thought that the same held true for jewelry, as with Pope Francis below. But if Dizzy reports that Catholics also wear plain crosses, that answers my question. (Also, as I look closely at Francis' cross, it appears to portray Christ as shepherd, not at his crucifixion, which is an interesting choice.)  The original Protestants eschewed crucifixes as part of a general aversion to "images of God" including images of Christ, on grounds of the 2nd commandment in Exodus 20, "Thou shall not make graven images." However, Protestantism on the whole has softened on that matter over the course of the last 400 years, and most Protestant Churches today use images of Christ and/or the Father in various settings. Depictions of Christ on the cross are common, but crucifixes per se still carry a stigma in Protestantism. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Dec 18, 2018 8:14:46 GMT -5
It's fairly likely the cross is 'blank' more for artistic reasons (too hard to draw) than any religious one. Generally in popular media Italian = Catholic, and the mob is often show at least paying lip service to that faith.
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Post by rberman on Nov 15, 2019 9:25:45 GMT -5
I had assumed Nightcrawler was Protestant (perhaps because I am, but also because he's from Germany, the cradle of the Protestant Reformation), but I just noticed that even back in X-Men #165 (1982), Chris Claremont was having Kurt pray in Latin, indicating that he is Roman Catholic -- and pre-Vatican II Roman Catholic at that. Again note, a cross but not a crucifix. Anyway, Kurt's Catholism was not a late addition as I had once thought it to be. As we've noted before, Nightcrawler's creator Dave Cockrum did not consider him a Christian and did not appreciate Claremont depicting him that way in the very first post-Cockrum issue. (Cockrum ended his second and final X-Men run with #164.)  In The Walking Dead, Robert Kirkman tried to make room for religious characters, but being an atheist himself his tone and details sometimes left something to be desired. "Father Gabriel" is supposed to be a Baptist minister, but Baptists generally don't wear clerical collars, and he's kind of an idiot too, failing to hide when he's in obvious danger, even though his backstory reveals that's he's generally the first to hide.  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2019 10:20:53 GMT -5
I've seen criticism of this panel:  I, personally, feel it's a fair attempt to reconcile Thor with the God of the Bible. And not likely to really offend anyone. Thor gives a very diplomatic and powerful answer there. |
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Post by rberman on Nov 15, 2019 12:18:55 GMT -5
I've seen criticism of this panel: I, personally, feel it's a fair attempt to reconcile Thor with the God of the Bible. And not likely to really offend anyone. Thor gives a very diplomatic and powerful answer there. Thor's pagan answer (essentially "All deities get their power from their followers, whose belief taps into a source of cosmic energy") doesn't exactly comport with Christianity, which says that we are dependent on an eternal God rather than the other way around. But the gods and demons of comic books are no biggie when seen as aliens and extradimensional beings. |
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Post by Mister Spaceman on Nov 15, 2019 12:41:08 GMT -5
Of course, there's Jack Chick's Christian comics crusade:  |
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Post by beccabear67 on Nov 15, 2019 14:30:32 GMT -5
I had assumed Nightcrawler was Protestant (perhaps because I am, but also because he's from Germany, the cradle of the Protestant Reformation), but I just noticed that even back in X-Men #165 (1982), Chris Claremont was having Kurt pray in Latin, indicating that he is Roman Catholic -- and pre-Vatican II Roman Catholic at that. Again note, a cross but not a crucifix. My father comes from Gelderland in Holland, near the border with Germany, and they were Protestant, but a friend of his comes from the northern area of Holland and they were Catholic with the Latin mass and communion and so forth. I've known lots of Catholics to wear tiny cross necklaces, the church in Rome might consider most U.S. and Canadian Catholics as lapsed as they don't observe many of the Saints and rules (thou shalt nots) set down, while those from Mexico and south are more observant. They and the Italians seem most likely to have a crucifix on the wall. Looking forward to getting to the 19 Huntress issues from the early '90s, I'll have to be in a mood for something a bit darker though. I mainly got all of that as someone had a run minus three issues at a good price and I saw Joe Staton was the artist, it's not what I was expecting but still looks like it will be a good read. |
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