Post by rberman on Aug 30, 2018 16:54:01 GMT -5
This comment came out of thread about Jim Shooter's tenure as Editor-in-Chief at Marvel Comics:
posted 1/24/2016:
"Without mentioning yours truly by name, Shooter characterizes me as “a Christian {who was] writing Christian comics instead of super-hero comics.” This is undoubtedly a reference to his tampering with the ending of my two-year run on Ghost Rider, a story designed to remove the supernatural elements from the title and make it more of a super-hero title. Shooter has been trying to either justify that action of his or blame it on someone else for years. He comes up short both ways. Read my earlier blog for the details.
I wrote super-hero comics, as anyone familiar with my Marvel work in the 1970s can attest. Heck, I added super-villains to the Living Mummy strip and made other super-villains Hydra department heads in Daredevil. Some of those moves might not have been the best ideas, but I think they are proof of my super-hero leanings.
As for whether or not I was a Christian...I was raised in the Roman Catholic faith, but hadn’t been a practicing Catholic since before I moved to New York to work for Marvel Comics. I did take a run at a more evangelical Christianity, but I found it as wanting as I did the Roman Catholic faith. In any case, my adding of a Jesus Christ figure to Ghost Rider had nothing to do with my religious beliefs. It had everything to do with believing there should be some sort of supernatural opposition to Satan and all the Satan-like figures in the Marvel Universe and my recognizing people of faith were seldom represented in our comics. Diversity includes a broad spectrum of human beings. Comic books should represent that."
This got me thinking about the general topic of the positive portrayal of religious diversity in comic books. This could be a hot-button topic, so I hope that people will play nice, assuming that the forum moderators deem a constructive discussion on this issue appropriate. The topic is: Which comic book characters have been portrayed as devout practitioners of real-life religions? By "devout" I'm thinking of qualifiers like (1) They made some kind of clear verbal profession to identify their religions; (2) Depictions of their fictional lives were generally in line with the recognized
tenets of their faiths, and (3) They were sympathetic characters, not primarily foils who existed to make their opponents look virtuous.
I'll start off with some low-hanging fruit from the X-Men series about which I've been writing reviews. Chris Claremont tends to make religion more of an issue in his character's lives than some authors:
Father Bowen is a Roman Catholic priest serving a church near Greenwich Village in NYC. He's the guardian of Xi'an Coy Manh's younger brother and sister, and he's Kurt Wagner's priest of choice, and he helps Cloak and Dagger sometimes too.
Father Delgado is another Roman Catholic priest in Manhattan, with a church just west of Times Square. He too helps Cloak and Dagger.
Hisako "Armor" Ichiki appears to follow the Shinto faith, inasmuch as she's a Japenese-American who believes that her mutant powers derive from the accumulated spiritual power of her ancestors.
Sooraya "Dust" Qadir is a Muslim from Afganistan who wears traditional black robes and the face-covering niqab. Grant Morrison created her but moved her far to the back-burner when 9/11 occurred, so she hasn't gotten a lot of development compared to some 21st century characters.
Kurt "Nightcrawler" Wagner has been all over the map. Chris Claremont took him from the irreligious swashbuckler that Dave Cockrum had created, to a ladies' man with strong moral convictions, to a Roman Catholic priest. Chuck Austen retconned the priest part away subsequently.
Rahne "Wolvesbane" Sinclair is a devout Presbyterian, but at least in early years, her religion usually came up in the context of her traumatic upbringing by the cruel Reverend Laird, secretly her father as well. So while she's a sympathetic character, her story function was often not sympathetic to religion.
Various "tribal origin" characters (Danielle "Mirage" Moonstar, Ororo "Storm" Munroe, Michael "Shaman" Twoyoungmen) appear to practice animistic faiths, though I don't know how much the details depicted reflect actual existing religious traditions as opposed to Western stereotypes. I wonder whether Shaman in particular represents a deviation from Marvel's stated policy not to depict actual deities as if they existed. What are we to make of all the named tundra spirits that show up in Alpha Flight, for instance? Don't they come from actual Inuit/First Peoples faiths?
I don't know how far Kitty Pryde's Jewishness extends beyond cultural identity (e.g. wearing a Star of David necklace) into religion, other than that her faith is enough to cause Dracula to recoil.
Tony Isabella's side of the Ghost Rider story, from his blog:
posted 1/24/2016:
"Without mentioning yours truly by name, Shooter characterizes me as “a Christian {who was] writing Christian comics instead of super-hero comics.” This is undoubtedly a reference to his tampering with the ending of my two-year run on Ghost Rider, a story designed to remove the supernatural elements from the title and make it more of a super-hero title. Shooter has been trying to either justify that action of his or blame it on someone else for years. He comes up short both ways. Read my earlier blog for the details.
I wrote super-hero comics, as anyone familiar with my Marvel work in the 1970s can attest. Heck, I added super-villains to the Living Mummy strip and made other super-villains Hydra department heads in Daredevil. Some of those moves might not have been the best ideas, but I think they are proof of my super-hero leanings.
As for whether or not I was a Christian...I was raised in the Roman Catholic faith, but hadn’t been a practicing Catholic since before I moved to New York to work for Marvel Comics. I did take a run at a more evangelical Christianity, but I found it as wanting as I did the Roman Catholic faith. In any case, my adding of a Jesus Christ figure to Ghost Rider had nothing to do with my religious beliefs. It had everything to do with believing there should be some sort of supernatural opposition to Satan and all the Satan-like figures in the Marvel Universe and my recognizing people of faith were seldom represented in our comics. Diversity includes a broad spectrum of human beings. Comic books should represent that."
This got me thinking about the general topic of the positive portrayal of religious diversity in comic books. This could be a hot-button topic, so I hope that people will play nice, assuming that the forum moderators deem a constructive discussion on this issue appropriate. The topic is: Which comic book characters have been portrayed as devout practitioners of real-life religions? By "devout" I'm thinking of qualifiers like (1) They made some kind of clear verbal profession to identify their religions; (2) Depictions of their fictional lives were generally in line with the recognized
tenets of their faiths, and (3) They were sympathetic characters, not primarily foils who existed to make their opponents look virtuous.
I'll start off with some low-hanging fruit from the X-Men series about which I've been writing reviews. Chris Claremont tends to make religion more of an issue in his character's lives than some authors:
Father Bowen is a Roman Catholic priest serving a church near Greenwich Village in NYC. He's the guardian of Xi'an Coy Manh's younger brother and sister, and he's Kurt Wagner's priest of choice, and he helps Cloak and Dagger sometimes too.
Father Delgado is another Roman Catholic priest in Manhattan, with a church just west of Times Square. He too helps Cloak and Dagger.
Hisako "Armor" Ichiki appears to follow the Shinto faith, inasmuch as she's a Japenese-American who believes that her mutant powers derive from the accumulated spiritual power of her ancestors.
Sooraya "Dust" Qadir is a Muslim from Afganistan who wears traditional black robes and the face-covering niqab. Grant Morrison created her but moved her far to the back-burner when 9/11 occurred, so she hasn't gotten a lot of development compared to some 21st century characters.
Kurt "Nightcrawler" Wagner has been all over the map. Chris Claremont took him from the irreligious swashbuckler that Dave Cockrum had created, to a ladies' man with strong moral convictions, to a Roman Catholic priest. Chuck Austen retconned the priest part away subsequently.
Rahne "Wolvesbane" Sinclair is a devout Presbyterian, but at least in early years, her religion usually came up in the context of her traumatic upbringing by the cruel Reverend Laird, secretly her father as well. So while she's a sympathetic character, her story function was often not sympathetic to religion.
Various "tribal origin" characters (Danielle "Mirage" Moonstar, Ororo "Storm" Munroe, Michael "Shaman" Twoyoungmen) appear to practice animistic faiths, though I don't know how much the details depicted reflect actual existing religious traditions as opposed to Western stereotypes. I wonder whether Shaman in particular represents a deviation from Marvel's stated policy not to depict actual deities as if they existed. What are we to make of all the named tundra spirits that show up in Alpha Flight, for instance? Don't they come from actual Inuit/First Peoples faiths?
I don't know how far Kitty Pryde's Jewishness extends beyond cultural identity (e.g. wearing a Star of David necklace) into religion, other than that her faith is enough to cause Dracula to recoil.