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Post by rberman on Mar 29, 2019 20:05:31 GMT -5
Finally saw it yesterday with my teen son. It was solid fun, not amazing. Decent mystery. Mainly I was amazed by the effects make Samuel Jackson look young. Two questions:
1) I am confused by the movement of the cosmic cube since the Ref Skull has it.
2) why was “Vers” put on a combat squad instead of made a Kree lab rat?
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Post by Dizzy D on Mar 30, 2019 12:52:18 GMT -5
Finally saw it yesterday with my teen son. It was solid fun, not amazing. Decent mystery. Mainly I was amazed by the effects make Samuel Jackson look young. Two questions: 1) I am confused by the movement of the cosmic cube since the Ref Skull has it. 2) why was “Vers” put on a combat squad instead of made a Kree lab rat?
Cosmic Cube timeline:
centuries ago: Odin hides it on Earth. (Mentioned in Captain America 1)
1940s: Red Skull finds it, is teleported away by it. Howard Stark finds it on the bottom of the sea while looking for Steve (Captain America 1) between 1940 and 1990s: Stark experiments with the Cube and works with S.H.I.E.L.D., but the Cube is inert. Studying it does help him with the Arc Reactor. During this time Stark also has contact with Project Pegasus (mentioned in passing in Iron Man 2 and in Avengers 2) 1980s: Cube is at Project Pegasus, Mar-Vell uses it to power her faster-than-light engine. Cube itself is hidden in her lab.
1990s: Carol and Fury find the Cube, Cube is swallowed by Goose.
1990s/2000s?: Goose coughs the Cube up again. Fury asks S.H.I.E.L.D. scientist (and Dr. Selvig) to work on it. (Thor 1, Avengers 1)
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Mar 30, 2019 13:58:45 GMT -5
Saw it last weekend and forgot to post.
It was fine. As my youngest son said, "solid mid-grade Marvel movie." Not the best. Not Thor II or Iron Man III levels of bad. I was entertained which is really what I ask for from a popcorn movie.
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Post by badwolf on Mar 31, 2019 20:27:06 GMT -5
So do we know why Fury tried to signal her at the end of the Avengers movie? Like, how, specifically, was she going to help that situation?
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Post by berkley on Apr 4, 2019 21:03:27 GMT -5
Saw it last weekend and forgot to post. It was fine. As my youngest son said, "solid mid-grade Marvel movie." Not the best. Not Thor II or Iron Man III levels of bad. I was entertained which is really what I ask for from a popcorn movie. I finally saw it last Friday and had much the same reaction. My expectations were fairly low, based on the previews, so I wasn't disappointed as it turned out to be much the same as I'd been thinking.
I still feel that the original Mar-Vell's story - transplanted here onto the new, female Mar-Vell - is much more compelling than the Carol Danvers story of an earth girl gaining powers, so that was a big weakness for me, both for the comics and the movie version. |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Apr 5, 2019 12:08:07 GMT -5
Saw it last weekend and forgot to post. It was fine. As my youngest son said, "solid mid-grade Marvel movie." Not the best. Not Thor II or Iron Man III levels of bad. I was entertained which is really what I ask for from a popcorn movie. I finally saw it last Friday and had much the same reaction. My expectations were fairly low, based on the previews, so I wasn't disappointed as it turned out to be much the same as I'd been thinking.
I still feel that the original Mar-Vell's story - transplanted here onto the new, female Mar-Vell - is much more compelling than the Carol Danvers story of an earth girl gaining powers, so that was a big weakness for me, both for the comics and the movie version. I mean they spliced a bunch of the (second, or first Marvel produced) '60s Captain Marvel into Ms. Marvels origins. Or did you mean the switchy-placey Shazam*knock-off Gil Kane version? I think I agree that woulda been more interesting. * He said, giving up. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2019 14:18:12 GMT -5
I guess I just don't get the sudden love for Mar-vell and the annoyance his story isn't the one being told. Mar-Vell was always a bland character outshone by his supporting cast and villains, to the point where at one point Marvel thought adding Rick Jones to the book would make it MORE appealing to readers. Mar-Vell was never the reason to read his book, it was the events unfolding in it and he was just along for the ride. He had exactly one story where he was the main focus that was memorable, and that was the story in which he died. That isn't a resume someone looks at and says, yeah this is a character that has a story that has to be told and will excite the mass audience.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Apr 5, 2019 15:08:28 GMT -5
So do we know why Fury tried to signal her at the end of the Avengers movie? Like, how, specifically, was she going to help that situation? I do not know, but I'd guess the device calls her in case of a very, very, desperate situation. (I guess Fury had full confidence in the Avengers back when Loki attacked New York!) |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Apr 5, 2019 15:12:03 GMT -5
I guess I just don't get the sudden love for Mar-vell and the annoyance his story isn't the one being told. Mar-Vell was always a bland character outshone by his supporting cast and villains, to the point where at one point Marvel thought adding Rick Jones to the book would make it MORE appealing to readers. Mar-Vell was never the reason to read his book, it was the events unfolding in it and he was just along for the ride. He had exactly one story where he was the main focus that was memorable, and that was the story in which he died. That isn't a resume someone looks at and says, yeah this is a character that has a story that has to be told and will excite the mass audience. -M But he wasn't a chick...man. (sarcasm). |
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Post by brutalis on Apr 5, 2019 15:27:18 GMT -5
I guess I just don't get the sudden love for Mar-vell and the annoyance his story isn't the one being told. Mar-Vell was always a bland character outshone by his supporting cast and villains, to the point where at one point Marvel thought adding Rick Jones to the book would make it MORE appealing to readers. Mar-Vell was never the reason to read his book, it was the events unfolding in it and he was just along for the ride. He had exactly one story where he was the main focus that was memorable, and that was the story in which he died. That isn't a resume someone looks at and says, yeah this is a character that has a story that has to be told and will excite the mass audience. -M Blame the writers for that blandness you feel. For many of us he didn't come across as bland but more as indecisive, never fully willing to put aside his Kree heritage and military processes to defending a world which he found to NOT being the enemy which the Kree command said Earth was. The writers weren't making Mar-Vell a standout in being heroic and committed in a science-fiction/military/invasion story and instead were lost in just turning him into yet another "superhero", being one of many instead of ONE against many (ALL the interstellar worlds out there). Starlin began to re-create Mar-Vell as something stronger mentally and physically but once he left (for Adam Warlock) the Captain was a lost soul again with far too much emphasis upon Rick and the co-dependency of their existence. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2019 22:52:47 GMT -5
I guess I just don't get the sudden love for Mar-vell and the annoyance his story isn't the one being told. Mar-Vell was always a bland character outshone by his supporting cast and villains, to the point where at one point Marvel thought adding Rick Jones to the book would make it MORE appealing to readers. Mar-Vell was never the reason to read his book, it was the events unfolding in it and he was just along for the ride. He had exactly one story where he was the main focus that was memorable, and that was the story in which he died. That isn't a resume someone looks at and says, yeah this is a character that has a story that has to be told and will excite the mass audience. -M Blame the writers for that blandness you feel. For many of us he didn't come across as bland but more as indecisive, never fully willing to put aside his Kree heritage and military processes to defending a world which he found to NOT being the enemy which the Kree command said Earth was. The writers weren't making Mar-Vell a standout in being heroic and committed in a science-fiction/military/invasion story and instead were lost in just turning him into yet another "superhero", being one of many instead of ONE against many (ALL the interstellar worlds out there). Starlin began to re-create Mar-Vell as something stronger mentally and physically but once he left (for Adam Warlock) the Captain was a lost soul again with far too much emphasis upon Rick and the co-dependency of their existence. You can blame the writers, but really there was nothing more to Mar-Vell than an alien in a costume with powers. He never sold well, never achieved anything beyond a C-list bi-monthly book even when Starlin was at the helm, or resonated with audiences and only survived cancellation because of the addition of Rick Jones which gave readers a character to read about when the cipher Mar-vell was posing in costume and using his powers. Again the villains and supporting cast brought more readers to the book than the protagonist did, because the protagonist remained essentially a cipher no matter who wrote him, from talented geniuses to untalented hacks. Mar-Vell brought nothing unique to the table, and since he remained essentially a costume and power set and not a developed or interesting character, it is very easy to shift the powers and costumes to another character who is more interesting and resonates better with audiences and tell the same stories more effectively. -M |
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Post by tarkintino on Apr 6, 2019 16:22:03 GMT -5
So do we know why Fury tried to signal her at the end of the Avengers movie? Like, how, specifically, was she going to help that situation? ..and all expected Avengers: Endgame plot convenience aside, there has to be a believable reason he waited for years before thinking something was a "real" threat. But wait--we were led to believe Loki and the Chitari's invasion of New York was a "real" threat. That, and why woud she ever offer her services if Fury could not rely on her when he needed help the most...like the events of the first Avengers movie? |
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Post by berkley on Apr 8, 2019 13:03:47 GMT -5
I finally saw it last Friday and had much the same reaction. My expectations were fairly low, based on the previews, so I wasn't disappointed as it turned out to be much the same as I'd been thinking.
I still feel that the original Mar-Vell's story - transplanted here onto the new, female Mar-Vell - is much more compelling than the Carol Danvers story of an earth girl gaining powers, so that was a big weakness for me, both for the comics and the movie version. I mean they spliced a bunch of the (second, or first Marvel produced) '60s Captain Marvel into Ms. Marvels origins. Or did you mean the switchy-placey Shazam*knock-off Gil Kane version? I think I agree that woulda been more interesting. * He said, giving up. No, I was never been a big fan of the Rick Jones body-switching stuff, just as I never liked the Donald Blake period in the old Thor comics..
It's the old origin story of a Kree officer infiltrating earth, then deciding he's on the wrong side, and turning against his own people that I think is a great idea. It's like if Captain America was in Vietnam and turned against the US. As I said, they gave that to the Annette Bening Mar-Vell in the movie.
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Post by berkley on Apr 8, 2019 13:08:38 GMT -5
I guess I just don't get the sudden love for Mar-vell and the annoyance his story isn't the one being told. Mar-Vell was always a bland character outshone by his supporting cast and villains, to the point where at one point Marvel thought adding Rick Jones to the book would make it MORE appealing to readers. Mar-Vell was never the reason to read his book, it was the events unfolding in it and he was just along for the ride. He had exactly one story where he was the main focus that was memorable, and that was the story in which he died. That isn't a resume someone looks at and says, yeah this is a character that has a story that has to be told and will excite the mass audience. -M Not sudden on my part, I've always liked it. And, as always, I was only talking about what I like, not what's likely to appeal to the mass audience. Also, don't think I expressed any undue annoyance, just stated my opinion. |
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Post by Dizzy D on Apr 10, 2019 7:25:22 GMT -5
So do we know why Fury tried to signal her at the end of the Avengers movie? Like, how, specifically, was she going to help that situation? I do not know, but I'd guess the device calls her in case of a very, very, desperate situation. (I guess Fury had full confidence in the Avengers back when Loki attacked New York!)
How do we know he never used it before? He could have sent messages earlier, only to later send her a message "Never mind, we fixed it."
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