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Post by brutalis on May 30, 2019 9:54:34 GMT -5
I want to know why/how Raimi explains shooting webs out of the wrist? Spider's don't shoot webs from their legs, they shoot it from their BUTT!!! Why did Peter come up with wrist slinger's instead of a butt shooter? WHY? WHY? WHY?
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Post by Roquefort Raider on May 30, 2019 10:05:25 GMT -5
^ Boooooo If you can allow your imagination to accept magical biological powers to be the explanation, surely you can allow it to accept a teenager having advance intelligence and crafting up such a cool mechanical device. To me, this part of Peter Parker/Spider-Man set him apart from other heroes who just "were born with" their abilities. It works fine in comics, I agree, because we grew used to accept all sorts of absurdities in our four-color mini-epics. In the movies, however, I believe that the less we stretch our willing suspension of disbelief, the better... unless the sole target audience is hardcore comic-book fans Personally, I didn't see Peter as different from other heroes because he built his web-shooters instead of being born with them; in that regard, he was no different from Hank Pym or Iron Man. Tech-savvy heroes were common in the early Marvel days, which tried to rely on science-fiction more than on pure fantasy. In fact, as a brilliant inventor, Peter was just another name in the long list of Marvel heroes who were also geniuses: Bruce Banner, Reed Richards, T'Challa, Hank Pym, Tony Stark, Charles Xavier, Hank McCoy et al. Brainy heroes were a big thing in the '60s! What made Peter different to me is not that he invented his own tech, but that he was definitely "the little guy": a lad without a fortune or a high tech HQ, with lots of real-world problems we could easily relate to. That didn't change in Raimi's films, where the nature of the web-shooters was just a detail, not even requiring a special explanation.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on May 30, 2019 10:08:04 GMT -5
I want to know why/how Raimi explains shooting webs out of the wrist? Spider's don't shoot webs from their legs, they shoot it from their BUTT!!! Why did Peter come up with wrist slinger's instead of a butt shooter? WHY? WHY? WHY? Early concepts apparently did deal with the issue... As seen here.
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Post by MWGallaher on May 30, 2019 10:32:16 GMT -5
I've said it before: in 99% of published Spider-Man comics, the web shooters are organic.
That is, a very well-read Spider-Man reader would no more conclude from the stories that the web shooters were mechanical devices than they would conclude that he crawls walls by means of a super-powerful velcro sewn onto his gloves and boots, or that his "spider strength" is due to a hidden exoskeletal mechanism. Unless you read that 1% of stories that show or discuss the web shooters, that's the (super)natural conclusion you'd draw.
The two-finger button press always bothered me, since few if any of us can actually duplicate the hand pose that Ditko drew. Our fingers--especially the pinky--just don't operate independently enough to do that. Still, it's an ingenious artistic touch that Ditko conceived, a truly unique gesture distinguishing both the character and the exercise of the web-shooting power.
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Post by badwolf on May 30, 2019 10:56:23 GMT -5
Sam Raimi was right on this. I thought so at first, too, but then the next set of films found an even better solution. He stole it from an advanced scientific corporation. Now I'm kinda ehhhh on the organic ones.
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Post by badwolf on May 30, 2019 11:01:07 GMT -5
I think the web trigger should have been drawn further back, almost at the wrist. I can reach that spot with my middle and ring finger. That would avoid accidental presses from closing a fist or just holding on to something.
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Post by Phil Maurice on May 30, 2019 11:26:33 GMT -5
That would avoid accidental presses from closing a fist or just holding on to something. This is addressed in an early issue of ASM. The device requires a double-tap to fire. Also, it's explained that applying different levels of pressure and duration on the trigger creates different consistencies of webbing, from the thin swing line to thick globs of paste. ETA: Image from one of the early annuals, I believe. The second panel explains the double-tap method:
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Post by rberman on May 30, 2019 11:45:28 GMT -5
What made Peter different to me is not that he invented his own tech, but that he was definitely "the little guy": a lad without a fortune or a high tech HQ, with lots of real-world problems we could easily relate to. That didn't change in Raimi's films, where the nature of the web-shooters was just a detail, not even requiring a special explanation. This is why it's a bad idea for him to be a tech genius who would have gotten a free ride from the university of his choice. He can be the little guy or one of the world's smartest men, who like Tony Stark and Reed Richards parlayed his genius into riches. Which is it? (This is the same argument as with Kitty Pryde; Byrne wanted her to be an average teen, but Claremont needed a tech guru on the team.) Sam Raimi was right on this. I thought so at first, too, but then the next set of films found an even better solution. He stole it from an advanced scientific corporation. Now I'm kinda ehhhh on the organic ones. Apart from the ethics of stealing it... did he steal a lifetime supply of web fluid, or is it easily made in his bedroom from household chemicals?
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Post by Prince Hal on May 30, 2019 12:15:04 GMT -5
I've said it before: in 99% of published Spider-Man comics, the web shooters are organic. That is, a very well-read Spider-Man reader would no more conclude from the stories that the web shooters were mechanical devices than they would conclude that he crawls walls by means of a super-powerful velcro sewn onto his gloves and boots, or that his "spider strength" is due to a hidden exoskeletal mechanism. Unless you read that 1% of stories that show or discuss the web shooters, that's the (super)natural conclusion you'd draw. The two-finger button press always bothered me, since few if any of us can actually duplicate the hand pose that Ditko drew. Our fingers--especially the pinky--just don't operate independently enough to do that. Still, it's an ingenious artistic touch that Ditko conceived, a truly unique gesture distinguishing both the character and the exercise of the web-shooting power. I wonder if Gil Kane could have?
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Post by rberman on May 30, 2019 12:38:35 GMT -5
The two-finger button press always bothered me, since few if any of us can actually duplicate the hand pose that Ditko drew. Our fingers--especially the pinky--just don't operate independently enough to do that. It's not difficult to flex the ring finger while leaving the pinky extended. But the opposite is indeed very difficult.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on May 30, 2019 12:43:32 GMT -5
I've said it before: in 99% of published Spider-Man comics, the web shooters are organic. That is, a very well-read Spider-Man reader would no more conclude from the stories that the web shooters were mechanical devices than they would conclude that he crawls walls by means of a super-powerful velcro sewn onto his gloves and boots, or that his "spider strength" is due to a hidden exoskeletal mechanism. Unless you read that 1% of stories that show or discuss the web shooters, that's the (super)natural conclusion you'd draw. The two-finger button press always bothered me, since few if any of us can actually duplicate the hand pose that Ditko drew. Our fingers--especially the pinky--just don't operate independently enough to do that. Still, it's an ingenious artistic touch that Ditko conceived, a truly unique gesture distinguishing both the character and the exercise of the web-shooting power. I wonder if Gil Kane could have? I guess it never bothered me because I can do it. In fact I still can although it's a bit painful at 51. It was not at 15.
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Post by tarkintino on May 30, 2019 13:30:51 GMT -5
I wonder if Gil Kane could have? I guess it never bothered me because I can do it. In fact I still can although it's a bit painful at 51. It was not at 15. Same here. I was able to mimic the various Spider-Man finger positions as a kid, and I can do that now. It boils down to basic differences in human flexibility, I imagine.
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Post by Prince Hal on May 30, 2019 13:31:00 GMT -5
The two-finger button press always bothered me, since few if any of us can actually duplicate the hand pose that Ditko drew. Our fingers--especially the pinky--just don't operate independently enough to do that. It's not difficult to flex the ring finger while leaving the pinky extended. But the opposite is indeed very difficult. Speak for yourself, Elongated Man! But congratulations!
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Post by brutalis on May 30, 2019 13:38:51 GMT -5
Another reason for mechanical web shooters is that back in the 60's if you made Spidey "too spidery" then you risk alienating readers who might go eeeeewwwwww that's weird, disturbing or too strange. Spidey has to be recognizably human and relatable to the general consumer (kids) of comics at that time. Being strangely mutated into producing webs might have set off over-protective parents if they just glanced at what their child was reading.
And the fingers make for an artistic style of short hand to showing that Spidey is actually "firing" his web shooters. Sheer brilliance on Ditko's part as an artist. What kid growing up didn't develop this skill? Just like Spock's hand greeting or turning a garbage can or Frisbee into Cap's shield, it is visually something we have all copied and done for ourselves.
Count me in as one who has never had a problem doing the finger Thwip (or the Spock salute) from child to adult.
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Post by Phil Maurice on May 30, 2019 14:41:04 GMT -5
I remember in some handbook that he has to do a double tap to shoot the web. I just noticed that I missed your post on my first pass and repeated your very salient point. Apologies.😃
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