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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on May 30, 2019 18:08:21 GMT -5
Why can't Parker be the little guy AND the genius who just did not want the fame? Or was too wrapped up in guilt and teenage problems to think to take advantage of the fact that he could probably compete intellectually at Stark/Richards?
If he inherited the abilities of a spider, well a spider knows how to make webbing. Or rather its body does. Rather than have him secrete the fluid organically, I always kind of viewed it as he gained the knowledge of how to make such a substance in the same way he could physically stick to walls or have the proportional strength of a spider.
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Post by String on May 30, 2019 18:10:13 GMT -5
Spider-Man's web shooters should be biological, not mechanical. I don't care how smart teen Peter Parker is. He would not have access to the parts needed to build such a specialized device, certainly not in any short span of time. R&D on web fluid would similarly take a long time. Are we to understand that the web fluid is made from household components that a perpetually broke teenager would have access to? And that rather than sell this wonder-fluid to industry ("Super-Duct Tape, coming soon to a Home Depot near you!"), Peter chooses to let Aunt May live on the brink of foreclosure? Any villain fighting Spider-Man would immediately attack his wrists first, destroying the fragile triggers if not the whole bracelet. Any villain who knocks Spider-Man unconscious or captures him would immediately remove the bracelets to sell on the black market. How can Spider-Man ever grab anything with his hand if "the slightest pressure" on the wrist-mounted triggers will shoot the fluid? He wouldn't even be able to grab a web to swing on it. Better to appeal to superhero magic and say he has some kind of glands in his wrists that he can activate by thought, combined with the appropriate and distinctive two-finger movement. Doesn't require tech that raises lots of questions. Doesn't get broken, lost, or stolen. Sam Raimi was right on this. I hate the idea of organic web shooters. Yessss, it makes more sense these days but it takes away one of the wonders about Spider-Man. For me, his mechanical web shooters are one of the coolest gadgets ever created in comics. They seem so relatively simple, not as complex as Tony's ever evolving armors yet niftier than Bruce's Utility Belt of endless holding. All you have to do is tap your palm to shoot them, allowing for endless hours of simple roleplaying in your backyard doing so. As for the formula, I would think that perhaps Peter may have had access to more supplies and chemicals (maybe through the high school chemistry lab?) beyond what may be in Aunt May's kitchen closet that would allow him to invent the formula. As for selling it, perhaps obvious similarities to Spider-Man's webbing would draw out questions from potential buyers over how he did develop it (or was it possibly influenced by Spidey himself, do you know him Peter??) than he felt unready or unwilling to face. As for his villains, could it be similar to Wolverine's first impressions with the X-Men? If I recall, they initially thought Logan's claws were part of his costume or his gloves. It wasn't till later that they learned his claws were part of him. So, in this instance, could it be the reverse where Doc Ock and the others initially thought his webbing was organic? Plus, being mechanical allows for greater drama. You know Spidey always got himself into a real jam whenever he ran out of fluid cartridges. However would he get out of that jam now?!  |
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Post by rberman on May 30, 2019 18:12:35 GMT -5
Why can't Parker be the little guy AND the genius who just did not want the fame? Or was too wrapped up in guilt and teenage problems to think to take advantage of the fact that he could probably compete intellectually at Stark/Richards? He can be whatever the writers make him. He wouldn't have to think in terms of Stark/Richards success. But he would recognize the commercial potential of his super-adhesive. Especially in a modern-day version, he'd be internet marketing his wonder-fluid all the way to the bank. The money would just come naturally, not as a result of conscious competion. |
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Post by rberman on May 30, 2019 18:16:13 GMT -5
Spider-Man's web shooters should be biological, not mechanical. I don't care how smart teen Peter Parker is. He would not have access to the parts needed to build such a specialized device, certainly not in any short span of time. R&D on web fluid would similarly take a long time. Are we to understand that the web fluid is made from household components that a perpetually broke teenager would have access to? And that rather than sell this wonder-fluid to industry ("Super-Duct Tape, coming soon to a Home Depot near you!"), Peter chooses to let Aunt May live on the brink of foreclosure? Any villain fighting Spider-Man would immediately attack his wrists first, destroying the fragile triggers if not the whole bracelet. Any villain who knocks Spider-Man unconscious or captures him would immediately remove the bracelets to sell on the black market. How can Spider-Man ever grab anything with his hand if "the slightest pressure" on the wrist-mounted triggers will shoot the fluid? He wouldn't even be able to grab a web to swing on it. Better to appeal to superhero magic and say he has some kind of glands in his wrists that he can activate by thought, combined with the appropriate and distinctive two-finger movement. Doesn't require tech that raises lots of questions. Doesn't get broken, lost, or stolen. Sam Raimi was right on this. I hate the idea of organic web shooters. Yessss, it makes more sense these days but it takes away one of the wonders about Spider-Man. For me, his mechanical web shooters are one of the coolest gadgets ever created in comics. They seem so relatively simple, not as complex as Tony's ever evolving armors yet niftier than Bruce's Utility Belt of endless holding. All you have to do is tap your palm to shoot them, allowing for endless hours of simple roleplaying in your backyard doing so. As for the formula, I would think that perhaps Peter may have had access to more supplies and chemicals (maybe through the high school chemistry lab?) beyond what may be in Aunt May's kitchen closet that would allow him to invent the formula. If he has to sneak into the high school lab to do his experiments and cook his formula with stolen chemicals, that raises even more questions about the long-term viability of his work. He could always have a convenient biological failure whenever the plot demanded his web-juice to run dry. Spiders can't spin webs infinitely either. He could have, um, a refractory period. More than one Spider-Man movie has recognized the subtext in this sticky fluid he initially can't control. |
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Post by Duragizer on May 30, 2019 18:23:28 GMT -5
Perhaps mechanical webshooters would be more believable if they were wrist-mounted grappling lines? Peter could remain a technological wizard without having to invent a super-adhesive which would logically make him rich.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2019 19:32:30 GMT -5
 This one looks the most "natural" to me. And I prefer the mechanical web shooters over organic ones. |
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Post by Farrar on May 30, 2019 20:37:01 GMT -5
I want to know why/how Raimi explains shooting webs out of the wrist? Spider's don't shoot webs from their legs, they shoot it from their BUTT!!! Why did Peter come up with wrist slinger's instead of a butt shooter? WHY? WHY? WHY? Maybe he was a fan of the Golden Age Spider Queen?    |
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Post by Cei-U! on May 30, 2019 21:33:21 GMT -5
Spidey did try to sell his webbing formula in Amazing #18. The company turned him down because the adhesive only held for an hour and was thus commercially useless.
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I summon a bottle of Elmer's Web-All!
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2019 21:46:35 GMT -5
Spidey did try to sell his webbing formula in Amazing #18. The company turned him down because the adhesive only held for an hour and was thus commercially useless. Cei-U! I summon a bottle of Elmer's Web-All! Oh man, I'm five minutes too late to out-geek the super-geeks (said in love of course. Only in places like this am I not the uber-geek). I imagine there would be some commercial use for a super-adhesive that's good for just an hour. But that's not what super-heroes comics are about. When I start asking real-world questions like "why isn't Peter making money off his webbing" I take the provided hand-waving explanations like this single attempt to address it in ASM 18 to be shorthand for multiple attempts Peter took to attack it from all the angles, and for various reasons they don't pan out. That is, if any of those things nag at me, but few of them do. |
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Post by Cei-U! on May 30, 2019 21:51:57 GMT -5
Back when I was first trying out for Marvel (circa '82), I suggested a storyline in which a crooked corporation hires a string of villains to steal Spidey's web fluid formula. I don't mind that I didn't get to write and/or draw it, but I'm disappointed somebody didn't take the ball and run with it.
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I summon the might-have-beens!
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2019 21:55:34 GMT -5
Plus, being mechanical allows for greater drama. You know Spidey always got himself into a real jam whenever he ran out of fluid cartridges. However would he get out of that jam now?! It's hardly the worst thing to happen in the Clone Saga (this is offense #317), but I've never been able to shake the memory of one stupid panel where a newscaster was covering one of Spider-Man's battles and remarked "he looks like he's almost out of web fluid" How the heck would any observer have any clue how low he was on web fluid? Other than that, I don't recall too many times where Peter running out of webbing was a source of tension. I guess those other times weren't stupid enough for me to take note. I'm jealous of the guys who can do the two-finger thwipping. I never could. |
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Post by foxley on May 30, 2019 22:24:41 GMT -5
Plus, being mechanical allows for greater drama. You know Spidey always got himself into a real jam whenever he ran out of fluid cartridges. However would he get out of that jam now?! It's hardly the worst thing to happen in the Clone Saga (this is offense #317), but I've never been able to shake the memory of one stupid panel where a newscaster was covering one of Spider-Man's battles and remarked "he looks like he's almost out of web fluid" How the heck would any observer have any clue how low he was on web fluid? Other than that, I don't recall too many times where Peter running out of webbing was a source of tension. I guess those other times weren't stupid enough for me to take note. I'm jealous of the guys who can do the two-finger thwipping. I never could. I can do the two finger thing ('devils horns' is how I've heard it referred to), but I've never been able to do the Vulcan salute.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2019 23:52:56 GMT -5
Spidey doesn't quite do the devil horns sign.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2019 0:18:43 GMT -5
It's hardly the worst thing to happen in the Clone Saga (this is offense #317), but I've never been able to shake the memory of one stupid panel where a newscaster was covering one of Spider-Man's battles and remarked "he looks like he's almost out of web fluid" How the heck would any observer have any clue how low he was on web fluid? Other than that, I don't recall too many times where Peter running out of webbing was a source of tension. I guess those other times weren't stupid enough for me to take note. I'm jealous of the guys who can do the two-finger thwipping. I never could. I can do the two finger thing ('devils horns' is how I've heard it referred to), but I've never been able to do the Vulcan salute. I am surprised to learn people cannot do the Spidey thwip pose, it was always easy for me to do. I can also do the Vulcan salute (or is it the nanoo nanoo greeting from Ork), but not quite as easily or naturally as the thwip position. I think I started doing the thwip thing after watching Spidey on the Electric Company at a very young age, but that might be me misremembering something. As for Spidey running out of web fluid, perhaps it was simply the issues I had as a kid, and I never got many issues in a row of any series except Avengers, but between stories in ASM and Marvel Tales I had, it seemed like he was running out of web fluid every other story I read, so seemed quite prominent to me as a kid. My sample size may have been too small to be statistically significant, but it was something that stood out to this young reader. -M |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on May 31, 2019 5:42:04 GMT -5
I want to know why/how Raimi explains shooting webs out of the wrist? Spider's don't shoot webs from their legs, they shoot it from their BUTT!!! Why did Peter come up with wrist slinger's instead of a butt shooter? WHY? WHY? WHY? Maybe he was a fan of the Golden Age Spider Queen? Wooooo! I had no idea this character existed. Respect, sir!  |
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