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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 1, 2019 7:55:12 GMT -5
How does that situation stand, does Doc Ok know his ID now ?
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Post by zaku on Jun 1, 2019 7:58:20 GMT -5
How does that situation stand, does Doc Ok know his ID now ? Yes, but now he's trying to be one of the good guys. |
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Jun 1, 2019 8:15:29 GMT -5
Sam Raimi was right on this. I thought so too, because the film version required fewer stretches of the imagination. Organic web-shooters come with the package that includes clinging to walls, great strength and agility and a sharp sense of danger. That's the only impossible (or extremely unlikely) thing we have to accept: that the bite of irradiated spiders can give one spider-like abilities. With the original concept we must accept that idea, plus the fact that Peter Parker is a chemistry whiz who can create an astonishing glue in his basement, plus that he's also an engineering whiz who can devise the device to shoot it in a way that resembles a spider's dragline, plus the fact that the boy will never manage to find a way to market it despite being a genius. Those are the kinds of details we accept in comic-books, but for a lay audience it's better to keep it as simple as possible. The two fingers gesture also makes a lot of sense if that's simply the position the wrist must be in for the glands to spit out their webbing, as per the movie's demonstration! However, mechanical or organic, I much prefer the web-shooters to be located on the inside of the arm than on the back of the hand, as was briefly the case when the black costume was introduced! I know I’m late to the party reading this thread but I agree with you on Rami’s films. Peter Parker gets bitten by a radioactive spider and gets all the qualities of a spider except the most iconic? Even among actual spider species these qualities vary but all spiders have the ability to spin webs of some kind. That said yeah it doesn’t really matter either way and two finger motion is just so iconic it’s fine that if in reality it has no basis. |
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Post by rberman on Jun 1, 2019 8:42:43 GMT -5
His genius ends right there, never designing anything remotely as clever. . . Spider-tracers, Spider-signal, belt-camera, one-way eye-pieces for the mask, numerous modifications to the fluid for a range of applications like fusing Doc Ock's arms together or blocking his control of them, giving himself four extra arms (by mistake, granted, but still  ). Sounds like a lot of potentially marketable ideas! Though maybe he just fashioned his eye-pieces from Ray-Bans... |
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Post by Phil Maurice on Jun 1, 2019 10:06:44 GMT -5
Sounds like a lot of potentially marketable ideas! True, but IMHO Spider-Man wasn't the story of a boy genius/inventor whose successes are celebrated by an adoring public; that's Tom Swift. Spider-Man was the story of a guy who ignored wealth and fame, finding it more rewarding to take action as a superhero helping people. |
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Post by zaku on Jun 1, 2019 10:18:42 GMT -5
Sounds like a lot of potentially marketable ideas! True, but IMHO Spider-Man wasn't the story of a boy genius/inventor whose successes are celebrated by an adoring public; that's Tom Swift. Spider-Man was the story of a guy who ignored wealth and fame, finding it more rewarding to take action as a superhero helping people. Yes, but in hindsight, even in-universe it seems a little incongruous (see the scene with the Avengers Academy). |
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Post by zaku on Jun 1, 2019 10:22:15 GMT -5
And, I mean, in his spare-time he built a car that can clinb buildings!!!  |
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Jun 1, 2019 10:29:48 GMT -5
One of the things that seemed contradictory was Peter made all this amazing stuff in technology but was a photographer to help Aunt May make ends meet while he was in high school. You’d think a genius would think to parlay that genius to make even modest money to help Aunt May. A lot easier than working for JJ. And something Aunt May would be immensely proud of him for doing. Especially if it was tech used to help other people.
If he could make a car that climbed walls imagine how that could be applied to better terrain wheelchairs for the disabled.
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Post by Phil Maurice on Jun 1, 2019 10:32:12 GMT -5
Yes, but in hindsight, even in-universe it seems a little incongruous ( see the scene with the Avengers Academy). I don't care for that scene at all, I'm afraid. It feels like it was written by someone who dislikes the character. The supercilious criticisms of AF15 seem petty and mean. What are they meant to convey, other than snark? Maybe I just don't get it. That kind of smug cynicism is not at all how I consume comics, especially Spider-Man. YMMV. |
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Post by Confessor on Jun 1, 2019 11:09:35 GMT -5
And, I mean, in his spare-time he built a car that can clinb buildings!!! If he could make a car that climbed walls imagine how that could be applied to better terrain wheelchairs for the disabled. If memory serves, i think I'm right in saying that it was actually The Tinkerer who made the Spider-Mobile able to climb walls. He constructed a modifyed version of the car, sometime after Spidey lost the original by driving it off of a pier and into the Hudson River (thanks to Mysterio). I'm pretty sure the original didn't climb walls. The Spider-Mobile was originally designed by Peter Parker and built by Johnny Storm, and was actually commissioned by car manufacturer Corona Motors as an environmentally friendly, non-polluting vehicle. That's pretty forward thinking for the mid-70s! Also, in the spirit of this thread, I feel as if I should mention that the Spider-Mobile could shoot webfluid out of two hood-mounted cannons...  Years later I believe it ended up in the Smithsonian. |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jun 1, 2019 11:22:03 GMT -5
Ummm...it wasn't just Peter Parker who ignored the marketing possibilities of his inventions. Hank Pym, in the first proto-Ant Man story, invents his shrinking process. By any reasonable view this would completely alter the way shipping was done world-wide (among other uses). Instead he uses it to shrink himself and then locks it up a safe because it's "too dangerous for mankind."
The fault doesn't lie in Peter Parker. The fault lies in the writers. And probably the audience for the stories at the time.
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Post by rberman on Jun 1, 2019 11:32:20 GMT -5
Spider-mobile vs Thanos-copter. Who would win?
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jun 1, 2019 11:36:09 GMT -5
Yes, but in hindsight, even in-universe it seems a little incongruous ( see the scene with the Avengers Academy). I don't care for that scene at all, I'm afraid. It feels like it was written by someone who dislikes the character. The supercilious criticisms of AF15 seem petty and mean. What are they meant to convey, other than snark? Maybe I just don't get it. That kind of smug cynicism is not at all how I consume comics, especially Spider-Man. YMMV. I've not read the book. But that snippet didn't do a lot for me. What it really does is shows the problem with never-aging characters and sliding timelines. Amazing Fantasy #15 is a close to perfect short super-hero origin story. But it is also a product of its time. And it doesn't work as well when you bring it to 20??. The world has changed. People have changed. Laws and technology have changed. I will say that I don't buy that a kid in that classroom setting would know about LLCs (which again did not exist until 1977). |
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Post by beccabear67 on Jun 1, 2019 11:45:53 GMT -5
I remember some sort of Crazy parody along the lines of 'what would really happen' where Peter Parker is bitten, his hair falls out from radiation poisoning and he dies. Maybe from the same folks who brought us 'Casper the dead baby'?
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Jun 1, 2019 11:57:56 GMT -5
Thanks for the clarification gentlemen. I didn’t know that. So yeah that’s a writing plot hole. Spider-mobile vs Thanos-copter. Who would win? The Thanos Copter for sure. It remind me of the Aladdin line “Unlimited cosmic power. Itty bitty living space.” Like what does a Titan with unimaginable cosmic power need a helicopter for? Lol |
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