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Post by dbutler69 on Jan 25, 2020 16:10:07 GMT -5
I was also not a fan of Carmine Infantino.
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Post by Confessor on Jan 25, 2020 16:45:27 GMT -5
^^ I thought Infantino had a fantastic grasp of how to tell a story with sequential art, but his late 70s/early 80s stuff was way too angular and idiosyncratic for my tastes. In particular, I never thought he was a very good fit for Star Wars, although these days I can enjoy his art on the title for purely nostalgic reasons. But yeah, late period Infantino is not great looking. By the way, beccabear67, much as I like Gene Day as an artist, I always thought his inks accentuated the hard, angular aspects of Infantino's art, whereas Bob Wiacek softened them slightly. My preference being the latter. |
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Post by tarkintino on Jan 25, 2020 18:21:53 GMT -5
I was also not a fan of Carmine Infantino. *Catapults dbutler69 into the sun*  |
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Post by tarkintino on Jan 25, 2020 18:27:17 GMT -5
We (others who read comics at the time and me) hated Don Heck's art. We called him Don Hack. His work never had the dynamic feel of the other Marvel artist. Always a let down when he took over an issue from Kirby or Colan or Buscema. His faces looked weirdly Asian, his figures were sometimes awkward and there was a blandness to his panels. The internet has revealed to me that his earlier work was quite good, so for me I guess he never fit with the Marvel style. Yes! Heck's sketchy lines and odd body positions were never a fit for a title like (for one example) The Avengers. If not for the strength of the stories, it would have been difficult to read the title. One can always see just how inadequate he was when John Buscema took over on The Avengers. The title was suddenly a wonder in every category. |
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Post by badwolf on Jan 25, 2020 21:02:18 GMT -5
I disliked Infantino's art as a kid. All his characters looked like they were melting, or, as someone here or on one of my other forums put it recently, like they were sliding into first base. Now, though, I love it. I think his Spider-Woman inked by Al Gordon is the best I've seen from him.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jan 25, 2020 21:50:44 GMT -5
We (others who read comics at the time and me) hated Don Heck's art. We called him Don Hack. His work never had the dynamic feel of the other Marvel artist. Always a let down when he took over an issue from Kirby or Colan or Buscema. His faces looked weirdly Asian, his figures were sometimes awkward and there was a blandness to his panels. The internet has revealed to me that his earlier work was quite good, so for me I guess he never fit with the Marvel style. Yes! Heck's sketchy lines and odd body positions were never a fit for a title like (for one example) The Avengers. If not for the strength of the stories, it would have been difficult to read the title. One can always see just how inadequate he was when John Buscema took over on The Avengers. The title was suddenly a wonder in every category. I really liked the Don Heck Avengers and for many years he was "MY" Avengers artist. Maybe nostalgia like others have said. His run roughly from #9-45 was a great set of formative Avengers tales. |
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Post by rberman on Jan 25, 2020 22:16:32 GMT -5
Tying the Infantino discussion back into the "praising reliable artists" discussion... Can we take a minute to appreciate Tom Palmer? He could make even 80s Infantino look on-model.  |
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Post by Confessor on Jan 25, 2020 22:46:50 GMT -5
Tying the Infantion discussion back into the "praising reliable artists" discussion... Can we take a minute to appreciate Tom Palmer? He could make even 80s Infantino look on-model. Yes!!! I've long said that EVERYTHING in comics can be better with added Tom Palmer.  And I agree, Star Wars #46, "The Dreams of Cody Sunn-Childe!" was the best looking issue of the Infantino run precisely because Palmer was on inks. He smoothed out all those annoyingly over-angular, idiosyncratic tendencies that Infantino had, made the characters look more like their cinematic counterparts, and simultaneously still managed to be sensitive to the artist's pencilling for the most part. Having said that, I also strongly suspect that certain panels or even pages in that issues were entirely redrawn by Palmer, but for the majority of the issue, Infantino's signature style is still clearly discernible below his inks. In an alternate universe, how awesome would it have been if Palmer had been the regular inker on Star Wars during Infantino's run? |
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Post by rberman on Jan 25, 2020 23:01:04 GMT -5
Seriously. Here's Palmer working his, er, magik on Sal Buscema pencils.  |
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Post by Mister Spaceman on Jan 25, 2020 23:04:16 GMT -5
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Post by beccabear67 on Jan 25, 2020 23:44:40 GMT -5
Tying the Infantion discussion back into the "praising reliable artists" discussion... Can we take a minute to appreciate Tom Palmer? He could make even 80s Infantino look on-model. Wow, I can't tell there are even Infantino layouts there except in the last panel. I stopped buying Star wars with #40, which is about when I had seen the Empire movie and didn't want to wast two dollars on getting the next four parts of the adaptation. Tom Palmer, Al Gordon... both top finishers! |
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Post by zilch on Jan 26, 2020 0:04:11 GMT -5
Jim Aparo? Contracted every year for 220 pages of artwork PLUS lettering!
Sal Buscema? When Jim Shooter was trying to get Marvel's books on schedule, Sal and Bill Mantlo had a book that was secretly called Marvel Fill-In Team-Up (or something like that)!
Ross Andru? Drew Wonder Woman and Metal Men forever and didn't go insane illustrating Kanigher's goofy strips!
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Post by tarkintino on Jan 26, 2020 6:32:01 GMT -5
I've read that Gene Colan hated Palmer's inks but I never saw anything so perfect as Palmer on Colan. Agreed. Palmer did not alter Colan's work, but brought out so many "mechanical" details Colan's pencil often missed (or was not his concern) in his post-60s work. I think they were a fine mix. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jan 26, 2020 7:48:14 GMT -5
That’s so strange that Colan hated Palmers inks. I think I read that John Buscema didn’t like anyone Inking him except his brother, so that means that Buscema didn't like Palmers inks either.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 8:02:54 GMT -5
Not necessarily related to the topic, but perhaps in the same ballpark:
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