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Post by james on Feb 21, 2021 14:09:29 GMT -5
My girlfriend and I are trying to figure out if there is a season 2. I agree that there is no way everything can be wrapped up in 1 more episode.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Feb 21, 2021 20:36:38 GMT -5
I can't imagine there will be.... I think it the Doctor Strange movie will definitely tie in heavily to the end... hopefully it will be a reasonable ending and not a out and out cliffhanger.
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Post by spoon on Feb 21, 2021 20:55:05 GMT -5
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Post by Jesse on Feb 21, 2021 22:02:12 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised if Wanda gets her own movie down the line because of this show's popularity.
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Post by Randle-El on Feb 22, 2021 0:12:41 GMT -5
I don't recall there being any kind of information released to indicate any of the Disney+ MCU shows will be multiple season affairs. But if I were to speculate, I don't see shows like WandaVision or FatWS getting more than one season. They seem to be transitional shows that are designed to introduce new characters and plot points that help to set up the chess board for the next few years of Marvel movies. On the other hand, I could see shows like She-Hulk, Ms. Marvel, or Moon Knight being more of a normal TV series with multiple seasons. They could be similar to the Netflix MCU shows, in that they inhabit their own corner of the MCU with their own adventures. But unlike those shows, they have been architected into the main MCU and have more potential to cross over with the films and other shows.
I could also see a sort of minor league system being employed. The more B-list characters like Moon Knight or She-Hulk are given their own shows that are more peripheral to the main MCU action, and if they prove to be popular, they get called up the major leagues (i.e., the movies) and are given storylines that are more consequential to the broader MCU.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Feb 22, 2021 8:15:58 GMT -5
I think some of that structure will depend on if movies recover... are people going to go back to theatres in enough numbers to justify the cost? Or will streaming services take over? If it's the later, we may just sekk interconnected series that are really more like 'MCU season x: <insert character here>'
If movies continue to be the huge money maker they were post COVID, I suspect you're exactly right.
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Post by The Captain on Feb 22, 2021 9:52:08 GMT -5
That can happen, sure, but in this case, it seems like the nature of THIS particular show is that the speculation has been all the fun. And while the interconnectedness of the MCU has been great, it wasn't a cliffhanger...we KNEW Thanos was coming... he took a while to get here, but we knew it was happening. That's all the difference between speculating in a fun way on the how, and having to wait too long for a pay off, IMO. People's mileage may vary, of course. If the hex plot is resolved and XXXXXXX defeated, and we learn that there was something/someone else behind it that looms as a future threat-how is that different than Loki and the Chitauri being defeated in Avengers and learning Thanos was behind it and looming as a future threat? That's not speculation. Guessing how the Avengers reverse the snap between Infinity War and Endgame was speculation. And they're were people who got pissed and craping on Endgame because it didn't use the solution they had guessed, i.e. they set up their own discontent because they judged the movie based on their speculation not based on what it actually was. And it is happening for Wandavision as well. I see so many people pissing and moaning the astrophysicist wasn't Reed Richards and this has ruined the show for them because Marvel didn't do what they thought they were going to do or promised they were going to do. Where anywhere in the show was there any indication that it was going to introduce the FF? In any of the press for the show? No. It was pure fan speculation based on what they wanted rather than what had been indicated or promised, but now some fans are pissed at the show runners because they didn't fulfill the promise of the astrophysicist. What promise? If you say to someone I want you to do something and they don't do it, they haven't broken a promise, you've just placed unrealistic expectations on them and then got disappointed they didn't fulfill those expectations. The payoff of that scene with the astrophysicist was that the vehicle was designed on the specs Monica made earlier in the series and then it failed because Wanda's hex was stronger than she factored into her calculations. Not every scientist has to be a known MCU character, but fans speculated it was, ran with that, blew it out of proportion, and then got disappointed because they set up their own dissatisfaction. Sure fan speculation is part of the fun, but when it becomes something that taints your own enjoyment of the show if you aren't right, then it's a problem. Not the show's problem, the fan's problem, but they don't own their own role in the disappointment so the show has to bear the brunt of their disappointment. -M I just don't understand this mindset either. Sure, it would have been pretty cool if they had used the astrophysicist friend to work Reed Richards into the MCU, but now we just get to see them do it some other way (because they absolutely will at some point). Doesn't ruin my enjoyment of the show because something I hoped would happen didn't. The previous week, my first speculative thought on something was seemingly shut down. Thing is, I wasn't disappointed, and rather was quite impressed they'd inserted such an obvious Easter Egg only to have it serve as misdirection. {Spoiler: Click to show}I had said after episode 2 to my family that Agnes would turn out to be AGatha HarkNESS. This seemed to be debunked with the whole Vision/Agnes interaction at her car, only to be proven right in the most-recent episode. Fans, not just here but in all genres (although Marvel fans are pretty needy) seem to think that the writers and producers owe them nothing but fan service, putting together characters or making events happen exactly as THEY want, rather than trusting that the creators have a much "bigger picture" plan and that folks whose actual job it is to world-build are in charge, not a bunch of fanboys and fangirls who just want their favorite "ship" fulfilled. |
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Post by shaxper on Feb 22, 2021 10:57:50 GMT -5
Am I the only one who found the most recent episode to be the first one I really didn't enjoy? I think Wandavision is going the way of all massively hyped, leave-you-hanging, mysteries. The fan community goes wild and churns out some brilliant theories. There are many more fans than writers, and the fans have a lot more time too, so they either guess what the writers were going for or come up with something even better. The writers can't just give the fans what they already came up with, as that would seem lame (i.e. the big reveal this past episode), so they go in an entirely different route in order to thwart the fan theories, and that direction ends up being stupid.
The best part of this show is the guess-work but, between the big reveal that fans figured out five episodes back and the commercials suddenly seeming to hint something more random and less brilliant than what the fans had been coming up with, I feel like that thrill is winding down now, and we're going to have to settle with the less impressive stuff the show actually has to offer us instead.
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Post by The Captain on Feb 22, 2021 11:12:47 GMT -5
Am I the only one who found the most recent episode to be the first one I really didn't enjoy? I think Wandavision is going the way of all massively hyped, leave-you-hanging, mysteries. The fan community goes wild and churns out some brilliant theories. There are many more fans than writers, and the fans have a lot more time too, so they either guess what the writers were going for or come up with something even better. The writers can't just give the fans what they already came up with, as that would seem lame (i.e. the big reveal this past episode), so they go in an entirely different route in order to thwart the fan theories, and that direction ends up being stupid. The best part of this show is the guess-work but, between the big reveal that fans figured out five episodes back and the commercials suddenly seeming to hint something more random and less brilliant than what the fans had been coming up with, I feel like that thrill is winding down now, and we're going to have to settle with the less impressive stuff the show actually has to offer us instead. I'm willing to give Marvel some leeway on this one. It wasn't the strongest episode, particularly since it was the first that lacked any interaction between Vision and Wanda, which was really the strongest part of the show up to this point (although the scenes with Vision and Darcy almost made up for it). People like myself and my older daughter are piecing things together quickly because we've read a lot of the older comics. Marvel is, in a way, doing fan service to the "old-schoolers" by building off of storylines that we read 20, 30, 40 years ago, so for people with a significant knowledge of the Marvel Comics universe, some of these things aren't earth-shattering. No reason to go completely off the rails, because they know a big part of their audience are people like you and me and my daughter. For people like my younger daughter and wife, they're just enjoying the show as it plays out, without getting caught up in the online fan speculation. They watch the movies, but they're not reading comics or scouring the corners of the internet to see what noobmaster69 thinks might happen in the next episode (my older daughter does this to an extent, while I have tried to stay as far away from it as I can). It's been enjoyable enough, particularly since Marvel was willing to do something that was considerably out-of-the-box for them with the show. Will it bear repeated rewatching? Probably not, although it might get a once-over prior to the next Dr. Strange movie coming out to see if there are any little ties that I might have missed, and I am intrigued to see where both the Monica and Pietro situations are headed, as you know they're not going to do something like those and them them lie. |
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Post by shaxper on Feb 22, 2021 11:19:54 GMT -5
People like myself and my older daughter are piecing things together quickly because we've read a lot of the older comics. Marvel is, in a way, doing fan service to the "old-schoolers" by building off of storylines that we read 20, 30, 40 years ago, so for people with a significant knowledge of the Marvel Comics universe, some of these things aren't earth-shattering. No reason to go completely off the rails, because they know a big part of their audience are people like you and me and my daughter. No different, really, from Game of Thrones, in which the largest percentage of viewers had not read the books, and yet they were absolutely listening to people who had. There is a huge chunk of Avengers and Vision and Scarlet Witch history that is entirely off of my radar, but I've been reading up and following the learning curve all the same. I had no idea who Agatha Harkness was, for example, but I absolutely understood who she was and why neighbor Agatha should/should not have been her prior to the most recent episode. |
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Post by shaxper on Feb 22, 2021 11:29:57 GMT -5
Oh, and one prediction for how the series ends (no spoilers if you've watched at least two episodes by now). Every episode moves forward one decade. We are in the 2000s with two episodes left. The final episode has Wanda and Vision doing a Wandavision version of Wandavision...inside of Wandavision. Unleash the multiverse with the ultimate meta loop. Of course, "Wandavision" is both the show we are watching and the retro-themed show Wanda is starring in within the hex.
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Post by The Captain on Feb 22, 2021 11:33:22 GMT -5
People like myself and my older daughter are piecing things together quickly because we've read a lot of the older comics. Marvel is, in a way, doing fan service to the "old-schoolers" by building off of storylines that we read 20, 30, 40 years ago, so for people with a significant knowledge of the Marvel Comics universe, some of these things aren't earth-shattering. No reason to go completely off the rails, because they know a big part of their audience are people like you and me and my daughter. No different, really, from Game of Thrones, in which the largest percentage of viewers had not read the books, and yet they were absolutely listening to people who had. There is a huge chunk of Avengers and Vision and Scarlet Witch history that is entirely off of my radar, but I've been reading up and following the learning curve all the same. I had no idea who Agatha Harkness was, for example, but I absolutely understood who she was and why neighbor Agatha should/should not have been her prior to the most recent episode. I'm of the mind that she is likely the "mini-boss" in this game, and we're going to meet the Final Boss in the next two episodes, as it's unlikely that they're going to use a mid-level character from the comics to set off the events of the next Dr. Strange movie. I personally believe {Spoiler: Click to show}
that it's Nightmare behind all of this.
Wanda's bad dreams, the purple effects in Agatha's basement (which ties into the green and purple color scheme usually associated with him), and someone far more powerful than "just a witch" needs to be involved. Kathryn Hahn is a fine actress, but she's not going to be Strange's adversary going forward. The MCU is about world-building, with things tying together into a rich tapestry. This show is going to have repercussions that ripple beyond just its 9 episodes. |
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Post by shaxper on Feb 22, 2021 11:36:06 GMT -5
I personally believe {Spoiler: Click to show}
that it's Nightmare behind all of this.
Wanda's bad dreams, the purple effects in Agatha's basement (which ties into the green and purple color scheme usually associated with him), and someone far more powerful than "just a witch" needs to be involved. Kathryn Hahn is a fine actress, but she's not going to be Strange's adversary going forward. I absolutely agree with you. In fact... remember that Agatha had that growth on her that she wanted everyone to check out? Could be connected to that weird stuff growing in the basement. Perhaps Nightmare or someone else has assumed control of her recently (after that moment with Vision at the end of town).
Nightmare would make for a great adversary, and I read that China's media restrictions would not allow for Mephisto (and China is Disney's biggest market), so Nightmare is the most logical next choice. However, I have no idea what that stuff growing in Agatha's basement is supposed to suggest. It's a reference I don't understand.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 12:58:36 GMT -5
Am I the only one who found the most recent episode to be the first one I really didn't enjoy? I think Wandavision is going the way of all massively hyped, leave-you-hanging, mysteries. The fan community goes wild and churns out some brilliant theories. There are many more fans than writers, and the fans have a lot more time too, so they either guess what the writers were going for or come up with something even better. The writers can't just give the fans what they already came up with, as that would seem lame (i.e. the big reveal this past episode), so they go in an entirely different route in order to thwart the fan theories, and that direction ends up being stupid. The best part of this show is the guess-work but, between the big reveal that fans figured out five episodes back and the commercials suddenly seeming to hint something more random and less brilliant than what the fans had been coming up with, I feel like that thrill is winding down now, and we're going to have to settle with the less impressive stuff the show actually has to offer us instead. I don't think Wandavision is reacting to fan theories in any way, shape or form as the entire series was written, filmed, and edited into its final form long before even the trailers were released to start fan speculation let alone before the first episode was aired. It is what the creators intended in its pure form unadulterated by outside influences once it was released to the public. And since it won't be multiple seasons, fan reactions to the first season won't have any influence on it either. Anything the fans have speculated on since the series debuted was decided and filmed long before that speculation happened so has zero influence on how it plays out in this show. There's nothing in the show second-guessing fan speculation, it's all what the writers intended form the get-go (minus of course any "notes" they got from higher-up within the Disney structure during the making of the show, but that again is not coming from fan reaction or speculation). While yes, fan speculation can influence (or ruin) may shows that produce episodes as they go along and episodes are airing while they are still making a season, Wandavision was all in the can before it started, so in this case, it's not a factor in the final product at all. -M |
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Post by shaxper on Feb 22, 2021 13:33:32 GMT -5
Am I the only one who found the most recent episode to be the first one I really didn't enjoy? I think Wandavision is going the way of all massively hyped, leave-you-hanging, mysteries. The fan community goes wild and churns out some brilliant theories. There are many more fans than writers, and the fans have a lot more time too, so they either guess what the writers were going for or come up with something even better. The writers can't just give the fans what they already came up with, as that would seem lame (i.e. the big reveal this past episode), so they go in an entirely different route in order to thwart the fan theories, and that direction ends up being stupid. The best part of this show is the guess-work but, between the big reveal that fans figured out five episodes back and the commercials suddenly seeming to hint something more random and less brilliant than what the fans had been coming up with, I feel like that thrill is winding down now, and we're going to have to settle with the less impressive stuff the show actually has to offer us instead. I don't think Wandavision is reacting to fan theories in any way, shape or form as the entire series was written, filmed, and edited into its final form long before even the trailers were released to start fan speculation let alone before the first episode was aired. It is what the creators intended in its pure form unadulterated by outside influences once it was released to the public. And since it won't be multiple seasons, fan reactions to the first season won't have any influence on it either. Anything the fans have speculated on since the series debuted was decided and filmed long before that speculation happened so has zero influence on how it plays out in this show. There's nothing in the show second-guessing fan speculation, it's all what the writers intended form the get-go (minus of course any "notes" they got from higher-up within the Disney structure during the making of the show, but that again is not coming from fan reaction or speculation). While yes, fan speculation can influence (or ruin) may shows that produce episodes as they go along and episodes are airing while they are still making a season, Wandavision was all in the can before it started, so in this case, it's not a factor in the final product at all. -M I stand corrected. I was not aware the entire series was completed prior to airing. However, as the entire allure of the show is fan speculation (and behind the scenes casting leaks have seemed to drop in such a way as to further encourage such speculation), the writers likely did have to take into account how the fandom would respond and what the speculation would be. Granted, they may have been way off having to predict far ahead of time how big the cultural reaction to the show would be AND what news would get leaked ahead of given episodes AND what theories fans would be championing as a result, but there still had to be discussions of, "They're totally going to think this, and loyal Avengers readers will almost definitely be thinking this, so we can't go this route because they'll figure it out too early, but no one's gonna see THIS coming!" |
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