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Post by wildfire2099 on Feb 22, 2021 20:58:58 GMT -5
I wonder if they'll work on the connection between Agatha Harkness and the FF.. she was the child care provider for Franklin and Valeria IIRC. That'd be interesting.
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Post by spoon on Feb 23, 2021 0:17:07 GMT -5
I don't think Wandavision is reacting to fan theories in any way, shape or form as the entire series was written, filmed, and edited into its final form long before even the trailers were released to start fan speculation let alone before the first episode was aired. It is what the creators intended in its pure form unadulterated by outside influences once it was released to the public. And since it won't be multiple seasons, fan reactions to the first season won't have any influence on it either. Anything the fans have speculated on since the series debuted was decided and filmed long before that speculation happened so has zero influence on how it plays out in this show. There's nothing in the show second-guessing fan speculation, it's all what the writers intended form the get-go (minus of course any "notes" they got from higher-up within the Disney structure during the making of the show, but that again is not coming from fan reaction or speculation). While yes, fan speculation can influence (or ruin) may shows that produce episodes as they go along and episodes are airing while they are still making a season, Wandavision was all in the can before it started, so in this case, it's not a factor in the final product at all. -M I stand corrected. I was not aware the entire series was completed prior to airing. However, as the entire allure of the show is fan speculation (and behind the scenes casting leaks have seemed to drop in such a way as to further encourage such speculation), the writers likely did have to take into account how the fandom would respond and what the speculation would be. Granted, they may have been way off having to predict far ahead of time how big the cultural reaction to the show would be AND what news would get leaked ahead of given episodes AND what theories fans would be championing as a result, but there still had to be discussions of, "They're totally going to think this, and loyal Avengers readers will almost definitely be thinking this, so we can't go this route because they'll figure it out too early, but no one's gonna see THIS coming!" I don't think the allure of the show is fan speculation. Also, I don't see why folks seek out spoilers. Why ruin a surprise by crowd-sourcing numerous possible paths of the storyline? |
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 23, 2021 13:39:53 GMT -5
I stand corrected. I was not aware the entire series was completed prior to airing. However, as the entire allure of the show is fan speculation (and behind the scenes casting leaks have seemed to drop in such a way as to further encourage such speculation), the writers likely did have to take into account how the fandom would respond and what the speculation would be. Granted, they may have been way off having to predict far ahead of time how big the cultural reaction to the show would be AND what news would get leaked ahead of given episodes AND what theories fans would be championing as a result, but there still had to be discussions of, "They're totally going to think this, and loyal Avengers readers will almost definitely be thinking this, so we can't go this route because they'll figure it out too early, but no one's gonna see THIS coming!" I don't think the allure of the show is fan speculation. Also, I don't see why folks seek out spoilers. Why ruin a surprise by crowd-sourcing numerous possible paths of the storyline? I read this entire thread just now and want to say that I just watched all 7 episodes over the last 24 hours. I was in a vacuum and didn't have access to any of the fan speculation until now. This series was incredibly enjoyable without it. I will add that I was scared in a few moments to the implications of Wanda's powers. She might have been somewhat manipulated to create the world but I think it's all her actual powers doing it. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2021 23:51:36 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2021 14:26:25 GMT -5
Lots to digest in this week's episode, and there's another post-credit scene that has a big reveal. I still don't see them wrapping up everything in 1 more episode, but the Hex story looks like it will get closure.
-M
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Post by wildfire2099 on Feb 26, 2021 21:28:00 GMT -5
I was a little disappointed in this weeks episode... I don't feel like I needed an Origin story.... seems added in. It was a well done origin story for sure, but still.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2021 1:10:42 GMT -5
I was a little disappointed in this weeks episode... I don't feel like I needed an Origin story.... seems added in. It was a well done origin story for sure, but still. It was a bit more than an origin story though as it basically retconned parts of the MCU concerning Wanda, Hydra, and how she got her powers and put the use of sitcom stylings throughout the show in a tragic context that completely reframed the entire series and changed/redefined the thematic underpinning of all the early episodes. It changed the lens through which the series is perceived and will shape how the events of the concluding episode will be seen. That's not a simple add-on, it's the crux to understanding the thematic context of the entire series. -M |
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Post by spoon on Feb 27, 2021 6:03:41 GMT -5
I was a little disappointed in this weeks episode... I don't feel like I needed an Origin story.... seems added in. It was a well done origin story for sure, but still. It was a bit more than an origin story though as it basically retconned parts of the MCU concerning Wanda, Hydra, and how she got her powers and put the use of sitcom stylings throughout the show in a tragic context that completely reframed the entire series and changed/redefined the thematic underpinning of all the early episodes. It changed the lens through which the series is perceived and will shape how the events of the concluding episode will be seen. That's not a simple add-on, it's the crux to understanding the thematic context of the entire series. -M It was also an interesting reflection of the comics, because they've fiddled as well with the emphasis on mutation versus magic. It was an interesting change of pace. The line from Vision about grief was really great. And the scene where Wanda sees him disassembled was disturbing but very powerful. |
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Post by The Captain on Feb 27, 2021 8:05:44 GMT -5
I was a little disappointed in this weeks episode... I don't feel like I needed an Origin story.... seems added in. It was a well done origin story for sure, but still. It was a bit more than an origin story though as it basically retconned parts of the MCU concerning Wanda, Hydra, and how she got her powers and put the use of sitcom stylings throughout the show in a tragic context that completely reframed the entire series and changed/redefined the thematic underpinning of all the early episodes. It changed the lens through which the series is perceived and will shape how the events of the concluding episode will be seen. That's not a simple add-on, it's the crux to understanding the thematic context of the entire series. -M Agree with you completely there, @mrp. Brilliant analysis as always. Even if it were JUST an origin story, some fans need that. My wife has been clamoring to know HOW Wanda got her powers from the outset, because she's a person who loves to understand the "hows and whys" of everything. She's seen 95% of the MCU movies (only skipping GotG2), so she knows what we saw on-screen previously, but she wanted to know what, if anything, was behind that. This episode answered some of those questions, although we did have a vigorous discussion about the first flashback/vignette and what was true versus what was Wanda's rationalization of the events. For me, the episode was perfectly acceptable. It was the "bridge" episode, getting from the Agatha reveal to the endgame of the series while laying the groundwork for bigger things in the MCU. Marvel doesn't drop revelations like the ones at the end (both Agatha's proclamation in Westview as well as the post-credits scene) without it meaning more than just entertainment value; it's what they've been doing for more than a decade with the MCU, which is why it works so much better than DC's cinematic nightmare. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Feb 27, 2021 12:04:05 GMT -5
I hear you, but anything revealed under force, as this was, is a bit subject to change... I mean, where though Wanda's real memories, or what Agatha wanted her to see? I'll agree adding the context of why sitcoms was kinda fun, but I'm not sure it really changed the way the series is viewed, it just defined why Wanda made the choices she did. (which, for the most part, was already pretty clear)
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 27, 2021 16:13:41 GMT -5
So is she a mutant or did she get her powers from the tesseract?
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Post by Jesse on Feb 27, 2021 16:36:21 GMT -5
{Episode 8 "Previously On"}
Agatha was immune to Wanda's mind reading and she created Fietro to figure out the how and why. (Kinda glad he's not from the Fox films as I prefer the MCU to be completely separate. Except Deadpool he gets a pass.) I got the impression that Agatha didn't understand how Wanda created the Westview hex so she used one of Wanda's hairs to probe Wanda's actual memories discovering the use of Chaos Magic without training. (Very similar to how Doctor Strange connected Thor and Loki with Odin in Thor Ragnarok which was intentional I'm sure.)
The infinity stone revealing the silhouette of the Scarlet Witch costume was badass and we finally get the name drop at the end.
So the Vision in Westview was a creation of Wanda and Hayward used the hexed drone to power the real Vision after the credits? Seems like Hayward doctored that security footage to cover up what he's doing. I wonder if we'll get a clash between both versions of Vision in the finale?Agatha was immune to Wanda's mind reading and she created Fietro to figure out the how and why. (Kinda glad he's not from the Fox films as I prefer the MCU to be completely separate. Except Deadpool he gets a pass.) I got the impression that Agatha didn't understand how Wanda created the Westview hex so she used one of Wanda's hairs to probe Wanda's actual memories discovering the use of Chaos Magic without training. (Very similar to how Doctor Strange connected Thor and Loki with Odin in Thor Ragnarok which was intentional I'm sure.)
The infinity stone revealing the silhouette of the Scarlet Witch costume was badass and we finally get the name drop at the end.
So the Vision in Westview was a creation of Wanda and Hayward used the hexed drone to power the real Vision after the credits? Seems like Hayward doctored that security footage to cover up what he's doing. I wonder if we'll get a clash between both versions of Vision in the finale? |
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Post by Jesse on Feb 27, 2021 16:39:56 GMT -5
So is she a mutant or did she get her powers from the tesseract? I thought the stone was in Loki's scepter not the tesseract. I got the impression that the infinity stone amplified her natural gift for magic which she had no training in, using it maybe once before on that Stark missile that they thought was defective.
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 27, 2021 17:17:35 GMT -5
So is she a mutant or did she get her powers from the tesseract? I thought the stone was in Loki's scepter not the tesseract. I got the impression that the infinity stone amplified her natural gift for magic which she had no training in, using it maybe once before on that Stark missile that they thought was defective.
Sounds reasonable. The show didn’t specify that they had already discovered that she was a mutant. The tesseract was in the scepter. |
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Post by Jesse on Feb 27, 2021 17:18:57 GMT -5
I thought the tesseract was what they called the cosmic cube.
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