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Post by Jesse on Jul 10, 2021 1:37:13 GMT -5
Episode 5 is wild! 🤣
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Post by Crimebuster on Jul 14, 2021 19:36:21 GMT -5
Aaaaaaaaaaaah!!!!
No spoilers, but the finale put me on cloud 9. Exactly what I was hoping for. Only downside is I basically ruined the episode for my wife last week by guessing this is what we were going to see.
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Jul 14, 2021 21:35:26 GMT -5
Spoilers below. But if you haven't seen the series finale you probably shouldn't be in here. {Spoiler: Click to show}This show was remarkable. It was the least I was excited for, yet ended up being miles better than the other two for me. I was so afraid they were going to have another version of Loki sitting on the throne in the final episode. That would have been so typical/television budget BS. Turns out the initial trailer footage of him being in some golden armor was all a misdirect. Marvel is getting better with the bait and switch in just trailers alone. But Disney actually pulled the trigger and got Majors to appear as Immortus/Kang/Nathaniel Richards. I'm so excited to get one of the best Avengers villains period off the comic book page, and on screen. The time maestro is going to wreck havoc on the MCU, and he's going to definitely be in the public consciousness more like Thanos was after it's all said and done. A++ experience with this series. Even episode 3 won't be a drag on rewatch.
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Post by Ricky Jackson on Jul 14, 2021 22:13:22 GMT -5
Pretty cool ending. This was a really fun series. Enjoyed it as much as WandaVision, but as a Marvel history guy, this was more satisfying
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Post by impulse on Jul 15, 2021 9:45:23 GMT -5
Wow, I didn't think they would do it. {Spoiler: Click to show}I didn't think they would go the Kang route and would do another Loki, but I am impressed.
It's insane how big in scope this show is compared to the movies. Makes Thanos seem like a small threat in comparison.
So do we think there are multiple TVAs and Loki got sent to a different one, or since the TVA is outside of time does it follow Back to the Future rules, and a different Kang changed stuff, so that is why the don't recognize him?
I think I am leaning toward different TVAs because otherwise it negates the subplot of Mobius and...I forget her designation but the other prominent agent waking folks up.
I am excited for season 2.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jul 15, 2021 10:03:35 GMT -5
I did not expect that ending. And it's narratively odd to pull the main villain out of your keester at the last minute. Overall, I liked it. But my wife, who has very marginal knowledge of comics, had no idea what happened.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jul 15, 2021 10:06:33 GMT -5
You know what makes my head hurt and makes less sense than time travel? Multiverses. They're essentially a get of out jail free card for plotting. Bad, lazy story telling. They're fine when there's a fun alternate take, but as a main plot, they always suck. Not surprised, of course (it was clear this was the route they are going), but still a little disappointed. Also, that's not any sort of resolution to end a show. Cliffhangers that are going to be answered... some time also suck. The 'big reveal' was not even a little bit of a surprise, unless.... It NOT actually Kang, but that He Who Remains (who was in that Thor TVA story way back when) is actually who he is. That's clearly not what the hints are going for, but they didn't ACTUALLY call him Kang
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jul 15, 2021 11:56:10 GMT -5
I really loved Johnathan Majors here, I wouldn't have fancast him for that role in a million years...and yet he was perfect in it and I can't wait to see more of him.
I also loved the James Bond style ending: Loki Will Return in Season Two.
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Post by shaxper on Jul 15, 2021 22:55:40 GMT -5
I think I'm the only one who found that finale disappointing. I don't mind the choice of villain at all, nor do I mind leaving so much on a cliffhanger for season two, but there were some fundamental issues that I felt weren't resolved very well by the close. 1. Okay, so we see why "Kang" created the TVA, but why the false mythology of the three time-keepers, and why the wild 1960s aesthetic from a guy who is from the 32nd century? Don't tell me it's just the look/feel of the show, because that aesthetic doesn't follow to "Kang"'s office, nor to the place where the pruned are sent.
2. Are we never going to revisit the fact that the very crimes for which the TVA were hunting Sylvie aren't her m.o. at all? She has been running to ends of worlds, not showing up in ancient Earth to kill, pose as the devil, and give candy to frightened children. That really needed to be tidied up by the season finale. How hard would it have been for "Kang" to say, "Oh yeah, that was actually an alternate version of me that desperately needs to be stopped. Sorry you got dragged into this."
3. It also seemed extremely clear by the fifth episode that the TVA only went after Lokis who were successful in life/attained some level of contentment. That was a very provocative thing to put out there, only to utterly contradict it one episode later: Nope, it really is just about preventing alternate timelines. How very disappointing.
4. Why WHY can't a healthy romance exist in TV just once without writers having to strain it in order to introduce new conflict? Why can't these two be in love, be totally one, and still be fighting for their destinies and for the fate of the universe? Instead, the writers turn them on each other at the first opportunity.
5. The TVA is supposed to be a massive bureaucracy, so why does it seem like only eight people work for it? Loki shows up in an alternate TVA, and the first person he runs into is Morpheus, somehow.
As for what was revealed, meh. It wasn't particularly interesting to me, certainly not a worthwhile reward for six weeks of mystery. Heck, I actually nodded off a few times while the camera kept carefully moving in and out on "Kang", and Amber passed out completely. We'd both been rivetted to our seats to the point that we'd lost all awareness of time and of ourselves for the past four episodes.
Oh, we'll be back for Season Two, but no, that wasn't the pay-off I think we deserved. And, having learned my lesson from WandaVision, I avoided making any predictions of my own, as well as reading any online speculation, precisely so that this ending wouldn't be a let-down.
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Jul 16, 2021 0:48:42 GMT -5
You know what makes my head hurt and makes less sense than time travel? Multiverses. They're essentially a get of out jail free card for plotting. Bad, lazy story telling. They're fine when there's a fun alternate take, but as a main plot, they always suck. Not surprised, of course (it was clear this was the route they are going), but still a little disappointed. Also, that's not any sort of resolution to end a show. Cliffhangers that are going to be answered... some time also suck. The 'big reveal' was not even a little bit of a surprise, unless.... It NOT actually Kang, but that He Who Remains (who was in that Thor TVA story way back when) is actually who he is. That's clearly not what the hints are going for, but they didn't ACTUALLY call him Kang {Spoiler: Click to show}Oh yeah of course that's not him. Pretty sure it was 31st century Richards/Immortus. It's heavily implied. Kang should look different when we see him a little down the road. And not as goofy. Hopefully he has a dope ass helmet. I'm afraid though because of Hollywood needing to show actors faces, actor Johnathan Majors won't look as cool as his comic counterpart. BTW I know multiverses can get confusing, and it can lead to lazy narratives/get out of jail free card usage. And it can really turn off the casual fans that aren't that invested in the MCU, and just show up to watch one every once in a while like my wife. It's going to be a tightrope for the MCU folks to have to navigate. Still, it was the next logical step to raise the stakes after the Thanos escapade, and that's exciting to me. At least this is a way to maybe get Black Panther back.
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Post by Ozymandias on Jul 16, 2021 6:57:06 GMT -5
I did not expect that ending. And it's narratively odd to pull the main villain out of your keester at the last minute. Overall, I liked it. But my wife, who has very marginal knowledge of comics, had no idea what happened. That would its major flaw. If you're a Marvel fan, you know what's going on from the moment Judge Renslayer is addressed by her first name. But if you aren't, it doesn't make enough sense.
Personally, I was much more interested at the beginning, when it looked like they were adapting Simonson's TVA. I guess they couldn't resist bringing in "that" guy.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jul 16, 2021 9:48:35 GMT -5
I was definitely disappointed too Shax... my daughter was REALLY disappointed. She went the other way on the relationship with Sylvie and Loki.. she thought it was too creepy. I hear you about never letting anyone be happy though, it's very annoying.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jul 16, 2021 16:25:28 GMT -5
I saw what Sylvie did as "saving" Loki, so I wasn't disappointed by that, I think I would have been disappointed if she DID give up on her revenge just because Loki told her that what they were seeing was bigger than her personal desires. I never once got the feeling she was ever going to actually hurt Loki.
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Post by shaxper on Jul 17, 2021 3:12:21 GMT -5
I saw what Sylvie did as "saving" Loki, so I wasn't disappointed by that, I think I would have been disappointed if she DID give up on her revenge just because Loki told her that what they were seeing was bigger than her personal desires. I never once got the feeling she was ever going to actually hurt Loki. Agreed, but that wasn't my complaint. It was their immediate divide over the issue instead of solidarity. Sylvie could have protected Loki while the two were still generally on the same page about things. It felt like a cheap stunt to create more conflict/uncertainty at the cliffhanger.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jul 17, 2021 17:10:03 GMT -5
I saw what Sylvie did as "saving" Loki, so I wasn't disappointed by that, I think I would have been disappointed if she DID give up on her revenge just because Loki told her that what they were seeing was bigger than her personal desires. I never once got the feeling she was ever going to actually hurt Loki. Agreed, but that wasn't my complaint. It was their immediate divide over the issue instead of solidarity. Sylvie could have protected Loki while the two were still generally on the same page about things. It felt like a cheap stunt to create more conflict/uncertainty at the cliffhanger. It seemed pretty true to who she was, she spent her whole life being hunted by the TVA so I wouldn't expect her to give up wanting revenge just because of anything Loki said. Likewise Loki's story needed him to be on a different page from Sylvie as well, this was all about his growth so seeing the bigger picture for once here and wanting to put it above his self serving needs fit him well which makes the conflict feel necessary.
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