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Post by wildfire2099 on Apr 11, 2021 22:25:43 GMT -5
I don't think I have much to add to the Captain's comments.. he nailed it. By far the best episode.... Sam finally acts like an Avenger! The pacing is definitely off, and so far the bits about the Powerbroker seem totally irrelevant, but that still has time to come together. After last episode 3, I was wondering if the show was even going to worth watching, seems like it definitely will be now.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2021 14:15:18 GMT -5
new midweek preview trailer dropped for the series, some old footage, some new...
-M
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Post by Randle-El on Apr 12, 2021 23:56:12 GMT -5
I would just like to say how much I loved watching {Spoiler: Click to show}
the Dora Milaje kick ass and take names. There were so many things I loved about that scene:
NuCap getting his ass handed to him, and getting a serious reality check about the people he's trying to hang with. I also loved that it looked like they were going to walk off with the shield for a second, pause, and then give it back to him with a "we'll let you off this time" look.
Bucky realizing that the people who gave him his arm also know how to take it away.
There was something visually powerful about watching two black women stand up to and physically dominate a white man wearing the Cap suit. Knowing the history of the U.S. and how white men have treated black women, often while acting as an agent of the state, made that scene especially compelling to me. |
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Post by tarkintino on Apr 14, 2021 18:59:38 GMT -5
Interesting the responses here. I'm largely enjoying the show. More so than WandaVision, which I found to drag on way too long with the various eras of television, and "grief" as the bad guy. Felt like that was hammered to death, and just not that interesting. But at least it was different. I found no interest in WandaVision--a carryover from their MCU appearances, which fell flat, but The Falcon and the Winter Soldier is holding up to what was the best about the movies, specifically the serious, more adult plotting (a limited supply in the films). |
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Post by impulse on Apr 15, 2021 9:37:59 GMT -5
I for one am thoroughly enjoying it, even the slower episodes. I don't really feel anything is wasted, but I'm also just happy that "superhero" is commonplace enough that it can be a background setting and default theme of a regular show. I just love that it's the default genre choice now. There is also something I have liked in each episode. That said, yeah, this episode was great. To add on to what The Captain said: {Spoiler: Click to show}Yeah, Lamar was a nice balance and more pleasant and grounded than Walker, so it sucks to see him go, but that also was definitely the point. His function was to humanize and ground Walker, and with him gone, well...we saw what happened. I like that so far this show hasn't made anyone super black and white in their motivations or actions. There are no mustache-twirling evil villains. Everything is gray, and that makes it more realistic and interesting. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Apr 16, 2021 10:50:19 GMT -5
Just watched the new episode... wow. I think the overall package would have been better if it was dropped as a movie, not as a 'show'.. this is clearly a movie they broke into chunks for marketing purposes. I think the slow bits we all got annoyed by in the middle would have been much better in that context. The surprise character promised was really cool... can't wait to see how that ties into the larger plot. I do wonder how the whole thing is going to wrap up in one episode, but with the awesome character work of the last two, I have alot more faith than I did before. I do wonder somewhat about the time line, though, and how this corresponds to the event in Wandavision. it's not important...yet. But I suspect it will be. Minor thing, though, that can probably be worked out close enough  |
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Post by tingramretro on Apr 16, 2021 10:54:44 GMT -5
I really should watch the last couple seasons... are they somewhere? (I know they were on Netflix for a while but I haven't looked for some time). It occurred to me yesterday as the episode was running for Wandavision.. should Falcon and Winter Soldier be on the case of WEstview? They're kinda the last Avengers standing.., makes me wonder what big thing they'll be working on in the show if they can't be around for Wanda All of Agents of SHIELD is on Disney+. |
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Post by Batflunkie on Apr 16, 2021 12:56:34 GMT -5
Just watched episode 4 and 5 4) thought it was a fairly interesting thesis statement on what it means to have superhuman abilities and it was nice to see Walker finally lose it and show his true colors in the worst possible way
5) Seems like they tied up all the loose ends, really don't know what they could be ramping up for other than apprehending Karlie
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2021 0:56:34 GMT -5
Just watched episode 4 and 5 4) thought it was a fairly interesting thesis statement on what it means to have superhuman abilities and it was nice to see Walker finally lose it and show his true colors in the worst possible way
5) Seems like they tied up all the loose ends, really don't know what they could be ramping up for other than apprehending Karlie
Did you watch the post-credit scene in Episode 5? And the special guest star and her identity open up all sorts of new possibilities with that as well in terms of who does she represent and what not. I also think the case Bucky gave Sam had more in it than just a new set of wings and the events occurring in New York will lead to his debut in a new heroic identity. You also have all the loose ends with Sharon and just who is the Power Broker. Sharon hired someone (and all the hints point to Batroc and then he's delivering armaments to Kari and the Flag Smashers), so there's something more going on there than we've seen so far. So the confrontation with the Flag Smashers will be a big part of the finale, but there's still more there to mine or to set up for the future. I have an inkling that there might be a second season of this in the works, or something leading to another series or feature with Sam and Bucky at the heart of it that centers around the Contessa' organization and the reveal of Sharon's true role in all of this, and may also have Walker as a key player. This chapter of the story is poised to be wrapped up, but there's still a lot of life in the storyline. There's more to delve into in Isaiah's story, the super soldier serum, Bucky's role as the White Wolf, etc. etc. etc., so I see a lot of loose ends still needing to be tied up or further explored beyond just Kari and the Flag Smashers. But as to episode 5 itself, man the confrontation between Sam, Bucky and Walker was just brutal. And Wyatt Russell has turned in a performance that has made me grudgingly like a character I have utterly despised since he was introduced in the Cap book (I was reading it as it came out) and have never liked (he was in Jason Todd territory for me). And Sam's visit to Isiah was just pure gold for me. -M |
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Post by The Captain on Apr 17, 2021 6:49:50 GMT -5
WandaVision and Falcon & Winter Soldier have shown that "comic book cinema" doesn't have to be mindless strings of fights and explosions and witty one-liners that take the place of actual story and character development. If Disney can continue to put out series like these, they are going to find themselves being very successful long-term. As for this episode: {TheCaptains Episode 5 Thoughts}That opening fight scene between Walker, Sam, and Bucky was BRUTAL, but not just the physical action. You could just see the mental agony that John was in trying to justify his killing of one of the Flag-Smashers as "justice" for Lamar's death. It was this moment that he realizes that he is in way over his head, and that while he was an exemplary soldier, he would never measure up to Steve Rogers.
The scene between Sam and Isaiah was heartbreaking. Yeah, it's fictional, but it really isn't, is it?
My daughters loved "Domestic Bucky". They enjoyed seeing him smile and not look miserable the entire time.
Nice scene between Sam and Bucky where Sam tells Bucky what he has to do to make the nightmares stop. The writers are really doing a good job developing the relationship/friendship between the two, which, to be honest, they never had the chance to do with Steve and Sam. Sure, we see Sam helping Steve in Winter Soldier and Civil War, but how did they become so close that Steve would entrust the shield to Sam? This medium, with the longer structure, has allowed more character development and can show things that the movies just couldn't.
The scene between Bucky and Zemo was understated but powerful. I liked how Zemo knew his only option was to surrender, but he knew that his work had been done. Much better than the comic book version, who I've always felt was essentially a knock-off combination of Red Skull and Baron von Strucker, used as a break from bringing out them yet again.
Julie Louis-Dreyfus killed it as The Countess, and her introduction obviously opens up whole new avenues of plotlines. Agree with @mrp that this could easily get a second season or even a film. So much to build on.
Post-credit scene was nice. Walker isn't going to go down quietly, which is how they need him to be. |
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Post by impulse on Apr 17, 2021 10:45:52 GMT -5
I pretty much agree with everything mrp and Cap are saying. I want more. Just keep it going. Like some sort of ongoing series periodically coming out.
It’s extra fun being aware of the comics or original stories as these come out, because it’s funny seeing people talk about how much they hate the new cap. Like well yeah that’s the point guys. But not everyone knows who he is.
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Post by Batflunkie on Apr 18, 2021 8:34:44 GMT -5
It’s extra fun being aware of the comics or original stories as these come out, because it’s funny seeing people talk about how much they hate the new cap. Like well yeah that’s the point guys. But not everyone knows who he is. I like Walker purely because of how much of a contrast he is to Steve. And when he finally became Cap, Walker realized that he didn't quite measure up
One of the things I like about the comics is that literally anyone could have become Captain America, but Walker shows us why some shouldn't
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Post by tarkintino on Apr 18, 2021 21:55:24 GMT -5
Episode 5 was more of the character development I enjoy from the Cap side of the Marvel productions; the motivations for Sam's initial refusal to take on the Captain America role were made clear and echoed through Isaiah Bradley's heartbreaking story, with its parallels (in the government-minted mistreatment and abuse of black citizens in uniform or not) to real history, and why Bradley felt America would not tolerate the existence of a black Captain America.
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Apr 19, 2021 10:22:40 GMT -5
Guessing Thunderbolts are in the works.
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Post by Randle-El on Apr 19, 2021 22:14:37 GMT -5
A podcast I listened to has presented the plausible-to-me-theory that
{Spoiler: Click to show}
Bucky will not survive this show. They make the case that once Bucky's made his peace with his past, his story's done and there's nowhere else to go with his character. While I don't think it's a slam dunk, I think it's plausible because the character of Bucky as written in the MCU is not really a character that stands on his own. His entire raison d'etre was to bring our aspects of Steve Roger's character in the films, and now Sam's character in this show. Besides that, the growing friendship and trust between Sam and Bucky shown in episode 5 reeks of that thing writers do where they make you really start caring about a character and his/her relationships in order to heighten the emotional impact from killing them off. |
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