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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2014 16:47:38 GMT -5
Nah, it's just getting noirish.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Nov 16, 2014 17:01:12 GMT -5
Mitchum was The Big Steal, no? He also did the Big Sleep as well, albeit much later in his career in 1978, he also played Marlowe in 1975's Farewell, My Lovely. |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Nov 16, 2014 17:07:17 GMT -5
Mitchum was The Big Steal, no? He also did the Big Sleep as well, albeit much later in his career in 1978, he also played Marlowe in 1975's Farewell, My Lovely. Farewell, My Lovely is a pretty decent film. The latter-day Big Sleep...Not so much. As much as I love Mitchum...and I do...he's not a good choice to play Marlowe. |
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Post by coke & comics on Nov 16, 2014 17:54:08 GMT -5
Adding M, Maltese Falcon, and Rashomon to my Netflix queue hoping all will be sufficiently noir-y.
Open to other suggestiosn.
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Post by shaxper on Nov 16, 2014 17:56:09 GMT -5
Adding M, Maltese Falcon, and Rashomon to my Netflix queue hoping all will be sufficiently noir-y. Open to other suggestiosn. The first two won't disappoint. I've always wanted to see Rashomon. Didn't realize some counted it as noir. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2014 17:57:57 GMT -5
It's at least got noir-ish elements.
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Post by coke & comics on Nov 16, 2014 17:58:45 GMT -5
I'm no expert on its noirishness, not having seen it.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Nov 16, 2014 18:33:14 GMT -5
Adding M, Maltese Falcon, and Rashomon to my Netflix queue hoping all will be sufficiently noir-y. Open to other suggestiosn. The first three won't disappoint. I've always wanted to see Rashomon. Didn't realize some counted it as noir. I can't speak for everyone, but the way it uses four different contradictory points of view to tell the story, the idea that truth is subjective and the heavy use of symbolism all make it a noir in my book. |
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Post by Prince Hal on Nov 16, 2014 19:06:21 GMT -5
Mitchum was The Big Steal, no? I think we broke the thread  There was a remake of The Big Sleep made in 1978 with Mitchum after the success of his Farewell, My Lovely in 1975. The latter is well with your while; the former, meh. |
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Post by Prince Hal on Nov 16, 2014 19:08:54 GMT -5
He also did the Big Sleep as well, albeit much later in his career in 1978, he also played Marlowe in 1975's Farewell, My Lovely. Farewell, My Lovely is a pretty decent film. The latter-day Big Sleep...Not so much. As much as I love Mitchum...and I do...he's not a good choice to play Marlowe. Gee, I thought he was quite good in Farewell. Why didn't you like him as Marlowe, Slam? I like the Bogey version, too, despite the fact that apparently both the novel and the screenplay have truck-sized plotholes. |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Nov 16, 2014 19:18:43 GMT -5
Farewell, My Lovely is a pretty decent film. The latter-day Big Sleep...Not so much. As much as I love Mitchum...and I do...he's not a good choice to play Marlowe. Gee, I thought he was quite good in Farewell. Why didn't you like him as Marlowe, Slam? I like the Bogey version, too, despite the fact that apparently both the novel and the screenplay have truck-sized plotholes. The plot holes are kind of fun, one of the most interesting ones I've read about concerned whether the chauffeur committed suicide or was murdered and when the screen writers asked Chandler he said he had no idea himself. It just kills me. |
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Post by MDG on Nov 16, 2014 20:03:10 GMT -5
Catching up on some things here...
Most of Lang's hollywood movies are going to seem smaller than what he was doing in Germany, where he pretty much had the run of the place. In Hollywood, he was just another emerge director. It he was still able to do very good work on a smaller scale. If you haven't. Watch Scarlet Street, try that. Also House by the River, at least for the opening sequence. The other night, I watched probably my favorite by Lang, While the City Sleeps, which isn't really a noir, or even one of his best, but has a good story and a great cast. Plus it looks like he was trying to get as much innuendo past the censors as possible.
While the City Sleeps was made around the same time as The Big Heat, and while it deals with the same theme: everyone's just out for himself. But he was having more fun with it.
Saw the Mitchum version of Farewell My Lovely a few months back for the first time and didn't love it. He was good, if a little long in the tooth for t he role at that point, but it felt too much like a 70s movie trying to look like a 40s movie. And I don't know why they tacked on that opening sequence.
A great late Mitchum performance: The Friends of Eddie Coyle.
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Post by MDG on Nov 16, 2014 20:08:38 GMT -5
Gee, I thought he was quite good in Farewell. Why didn't you like him as Marlowe, Slam? I like the Bogey version, too, despite the fact that apparently both the novel and the screenplay have truck-sized plotholes. The plot holes are kind of fun, one of the most interesting ones I've read about concerned whether the chauffeur committed suicide or was murdered and when the screen writers asked Chandler he said he had no idea himself. It just kills me. I don't believe that story--it's pretty obvious from the movie that Joe Brody (if I remember the name right; Agnes' boyfriend) killed the chauffeur. If Chandler said he didn't know (in one version, he sent a telegram that said "the butle r did it") it's just as possible that he didn't remember off hand and didn't want to be bothered. There's also the fact that you can't really trust a lot of Hawks' stories about how things happened. |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Nov 16, 2014 21:35:50 GMT -5
The plot holes are kind of fun, one of the most interesting ones I've read about concerned whether the chauffeur committed suicide or was murdered and when the screen writers asked Chandler he said he had no idea himself. It just kills me. I don't believe that story--it's pretty obvious from the movie that Joe Brody (if I remember the name right; Agnes' boyfriend) killed the chauffeur. If Chandler said he didn't know (in one version, he sent a telegram that said "the butle r did it") it's just as possible that he didn't remember off hand and didn't want to be bothered. There's also the fact that you can't really trust a lot of Hawks' stories about how things happened. The story in question was from the book "The Raymond Chandler Letters" which is a collection of letters sent to various friends by Chandler in the 40's and 50's, so I've always thought the source was pretty solid. And I don't think it was obvious who killed Taylor at all, it's simply left as a foot note in exposing a network of corruption and is never mentioned again in the novel or the movie. |
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Post by Hoosier X on Nov 16, 2014 23:01:40 GMT -5
Regarding the death of the chauffer: It's not a plot hole. Just because it's not clear who did it, that doesn't make it a plot hole. It's just an element that wasn't fully spelled out.
And it's one of the compelling aspects of Chandler's work. Marlowe's world is complicated and messy. By the time it's all over with, it doesn't matter what happened to the chauffer. (Partly because all the people who might have done it are dead. So why knock yourself out filling out all the blanks?) Owen Taylor was caught in a trap that nobody in particular had laid for him, and he was in way over his head.
I used to think that the guy who killed Brodie was the one who killed the chauffer. But then I noticed the guy hanging out with Brodie in the shop after Geiger was killed, and my theory didn't really make sense any more.
And I don't think Brodie did it.
But now I don't know what happened. It's a mystery. And a good reason to read the book again and then see the movie one more time.
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