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Post by Slam_Bradley on May 26, 2021 13:45:49 GMT -5
 I'm not seeing much to complain about here. Stephen Fry is brilliant as Gilbert. |
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Post by codystarbuck on May 27, 2021 21:59:30 GMT -5
I'm not seeing much to complain about here. Stephen Fry is brilliant as Gilbert. Only ones I recognize are Richardson, Fry Thewlis and Oswalt. Fry is good in anything and Thewlis was even good in that Island of Dr Moreau mess, though I can't get his portrayal of a street predator out of my head, from Prime Suspect 3, when I see him in anything (including Wonder Woman). |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2021 23:10:21 GMT -5
My favorite thing to come out of all this is the outrage at Jenna Coleman's casting as Johanna Constantine by all the people who clearly believed her to be a gender bent John Constantine and are obviously unaware of the character of Johanna.
And I adore Patton Oswalt's casting as Matthew the Raven.
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Post by Dizzy D on May 28, 2021 5:19:11 GMT -5
I know Kirby Howell-Baptiste from the Good Place and can see her work as Death.
Niamh Walsh was in Good Omens, so fitting that she also is in Sandman (though both are very small roles).
I loved Thewlis as Varga in Fargo Season 3.
I like Oswalt, but he has been in pretty much anything.
Fry works well as Gilbert.
Coleman was solid in Doctor Who.
I don't know the rest, but I'm happy with the ones that I do know.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jun 3, 2021 8:43:39 GMT -5
I'm really glad I'm not seeing the teeth gnashing over Kirby as Death here that seems to have dominated the discussion else where.
The cast is super talented and I'm more excited to see this than just about anything else I can think of.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jun 3, 2021 9:23:23 GMT -5
I'm really glad I'm not seeing the teeth gnashing over Kirby as Death here that seems to have dominated the discussion else where. The cast is super talented and I'm more excited to see this than just about anything else I can think of. You can tell that the vast majority of the people gnashing their teeth have never read Sandman. Or they don't understand it. It's very clear that The Endless don't have a fixed appearance. We see it when Morpheus encounters J'Onn J'Onzz and from issue #9 "Tales in the Sand," wherein, OMG! Morpheus is black. But it's become increasingly apparent that an awful lot of people don't actually understand what they read or understand (or listen to) the lyrics of songs. |
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Post by Dizzy D on Jun 3, 2021 10:02:52 GMT -5
I'm really glad I'm not seeing the teeth gnashing over Kirby as Death here that seems to have dominated the discussion else where. The cast is super talented and I'm more excited to see this than just about anything else I can think of. You can tell that the vast majority of the people gnashing their teeth have never read Sandman. Or they don't understand it. It's very clear that The Endless don't have a fixed appearance. We see it when Morpheus encounters J'Onn J'Onzz and from issue #9 "Tales in the Sand," wherein, OMG! Morpheus is black. But it's become increasingly apparent that an awful lot of people don't actually understand what they read or understand (or listen to) the lyrics of songs.
I think you are very charitable to them, I think they are well aware of what they are doing.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jun 3, 2021 10:33:40 GMT -5
You can tell that the vast majority of the people gnashing their teeth have never read Sandman. Or they don't understand it. It's very clear that The Endless don't have a fixed appearance. We see it when Morpheus encounters J'Onn J'Onzz and from issue #9 "Tales in the Sand," wherein, OMG! Morpheus is black. But it's become increasingly apparent that an awful lot of people don't actually understand what they read or understand (or listen to) the lyrics of songs.
I think you are very charitable to them, I think they are well aware of what they are doing.
A lot of them are aware and are bigots. But I come across this often enough with music lyrics that I have come to the conclusion that a whole lot of people just don't understand or pay attention to the media they're consuming. People are constantly getting mad at Tom Morello every time he says something vaguely political. The band was named Rage Against the Machine. They weren't raging against the toaster or the waffle iron. |
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Post by EdoBosnar on Jun 3, 2021 11:11:24 GMT -5
(...) They weren't raging against the toaster or the waffle iron. You sure about that? I get so god****ed mad at my toaster when I set it to light brown and it burns my bread anyway!!! |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jun 3, 2021 14:30:58 GMT -5
(...) They weren't raging against the toaster or the waffle iron. You sure about that? I get so god****ed mad at my toaster when I set it to light brown and it burns my bread anyway!!! Time for a new toaster. |
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Post by brutalis on Jun 3, 2021 14:59:10 GMT -5
You sure about that? I get so god****ed mad at my toaster when I set it to light brown and it burns my bread anyway!!! Time for a new toaster. New toaster won't help any. Toasters are a hive mentality bent on annoying a humanity which wants perfectly toasted bread when the toaster believes burnt is supposed to suffice. |
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Post by The Captain on Jun 3, 2021 16:33:16 GMT -5
I am all over this.
Loved Kirby Howell-Baptiste on The Good Place (just finished watching it for the second time this past weekend, first time with my daughters), and Jenna Coleman is one of my more-liked Companions from Doctor Who.
Also like David Thewlis, Stephen Fry, Joely Richardson, and Patton Oswalt, so this will be a must-watch for me regardless of who else they announce for the cast.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jun 3, 2021 23:47:37 GMT -5
I'm so used to Hollywood changing every aspect just because that casting against physical appearance (size, shape, ethnicity, gender, etc) is not much of a factor, unless it just goes against the nature and the role of the character, like casting Patrick Wilson as Night Owl, in Watchmen. He's supposed to be out of shape and impotent, since he lost his role and his mask. Wilson was young and in shape, with a muscle suit. It flies against the character. Didn't help that he was bland and boring in the film (didn't think much of him in Midway, or that Michael Keaton film , about Ray Kroc). If that isn't a factor, as long as the actor is it least in the spirit of the character, I don't have too many issues, unless it just screams of token casting, which a few things have, in past. With Sandman, as said above, the Endless are every shifting and their appearance is as much a factor of environment and audience as anything else. Now, do I wonder if the actress (I don't know her work) will still portray that bright, sunny personality? I sure hope so, because that is one of the things that made the character so interesting. Morpheus was morbid and moody and come through his own hell and there is his sister, the embodiment of Death, the end to all living things; and, she's a bright, perky young woman who revels in living. That's really all you need to capture, to do the character justice. It doesn't take a young Goth woman, in pale white make-up.
The actors I do know are damn good, which leads me to believe the ones I don't are probably pretty good and this could be really good. It might suck; but, I'm far more intrigued about this than any of the Marvel films or tv, since the first batch.
My hope is that it captures the diverse facets of the material and doesn't get bogged down to much in any one.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jun 4, 2021 10:44:59 GMT -5
Gwendoline Christie has been cast as Lucifer.
That's a pretty darn good choice. She can look androgynous enough, like the character in the comic when he was introduced, and definitely has an air of power about her!
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Post by codystarbuck on Jun 5, 2021 18:18:00 GMT -5
Gwendoline Christie has been cast as Lucifer. That's a pretty darn good choice. She can look androgynous enough, like the character in the comic when he was introduced, and definitely has an air of power about her! If Kristofer Hivju gets cast as Etrigan, it could get a bit awkward.  |
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