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Post by impulse on Feb 14, 2023 15:58:55 GMT -5
Oh, Tommy Emmanuel is a ridiculous talent. He doesn't even walk near metal in passing, but he is a phenomenal guitar player. I've had the pleasure to see him live, and I recommend anyone who can to do so.
If he decided to play metal, I'm sure he'd be great at it.
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Post by MWGallaher on Feb 15, 2023 7:49:48 GMT -5
Time to tell the tale of my late-in-life conversion to metal...
Now I've always been a hard rock fan, but the more extreme stuff never appealed to me. Even though my first real concert was Black Sabbath, heavy metal wasn't something I could take seriously.
But I have always liked exploring unusual genres of music, and it was, I think, in 2010 that I was reading an article on the web about micro-songs, extremely short pieces of music. Mentioned there was the record holder for Shortest Music Video:
Well, OK, that was worthless crap, but it led me to wikipedia, down a rabbit hole of different subgenres of metal, and I discovered an article on Funeral Doom. That page had as a sample a clip from a song called "The Country Doctor" by a group called Burning Witch. Frankly, that cracked me up: "The Country Doctor", to me, evoked the image of a kindly old fellow delivering babies in a Little House on the Prairie small town, but I played the clip and...
...well, that cracked me up, too. A completely ridiculous slow screamed phrase over a chord and beat so slow as to be almost beyond any sensation of rhythm. But I was intrigued, and I wanted to experience the whole song.
So I went to a music streaming service and played it.
Still ridiculous. Rock needs to be fast. Who wants super-slow stuff like this? Not me!
But another day came, and I couldn't resist playing it again to marvel at how anyone could listen to it. And I listened to the whole album. And I did it again. And it got under my skin, so I started investigating who these guys were, and what other Funeral Doom bands were out there. With an interest in Lovecraft, I found several bands taking influence from him: Coliseum, Evoken, Thergothon, and I was really getting into it. From there, I found myself marveling at Ahab's nautical-themed Funeral Doom. I wasn't a heavy metal fan, but I think I really did like this slow stuff!
So I explored more from the guys who kicked this off. Burning Witch only put out a couple of albums, but two of its main creative force formed Sunn O))), who did ambient metal, which was another weird new subgenre to explore. And among that group's offerings was something called "Cursed Realms (Of the Winterdemons)" supposedly a cover of a group called Immortal. But it sounded like a haze of heavy sound, and I wondered just how that could be a cover of a "real song", so I had to head over to the world of Black Metal to listen to the original.
Immortal's original bore no resemblance to Sunn O)))'s "cover", except sharing the same lyrics, which were almost indecipherable in either version. But now I was going through the same process as before: how could anyone enjoy this garbage like what Immortal was doing? So I had to listen to Immortal, and again, I was drawn to repeat the listening just to ponder why anyone would choose to listen to that...
...and wouldn't you guess, I got hooked on Immortal, graduating to their entire catalog and listening to it so frequently it became my main driving music for way too long.
I was sold, I was converted, I was a heavy metal fan, although I've kept a broad range of musical interests, even indulging at length in what may be heavy metal's polar opposite, the microgenre of mallsoft. But I'm never likely to outgrow Immortal, Ahab, Acid King, Evoken, Alestorm, Abbath, Burning Witch, and Thergothon.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2023 8:40:01 GMT -5
MWGallaher - loved the story of your journey, appreciate you sharing and welcome to the thread!! Am I remembering correctly that you donned the Abbath facepaint sometime back?
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Post by MWGallaher on Feb 15, 2023 8:52:53 GMT -5
MWGallaher - loved the story of your journey, appreciate you sharing and welcome to the thread!! Am I remembering correctly that you donned the Abbath facepaint sometime back?
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Post by impulse on Feb 15, 2023 10:18:45 GMT -5
What a great story, MWGallaher, and thanks for sharing! I absolutely love the cornier sides of metal, and there are many. I love a lot of the more straight-forward stuff, too, but sometimes the sheer ludicrous audacity is what makes it great. On the more mainstream side of that, I largely ignored Type O Negative until recently when I listened again... and they are hilarious. It's so dramatically over-the-top. I used to immediately write them off for being corny "oh so serious" try-hards, but then I listened again. Their tongues are firmly planted in cheek. When Peter Steel was singing a twisted love song in a thick vampire accent full of puns and then it goes into a funeral organ solo I just lost it. I'm listening to Burning Witch now. Thanks for the rec!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2023 11:41:28 GMT -5
Some of the music for it, from what I've heard, often has a hint of a nice melody, though. They should move that kind of thing to the forefront, ditch the unlistenable vocals, and put some work into blazing lead guitars. I guess I just said that black and/or death metal should die and resurrect as NWOBHM, so yeah, not a fan. I can understand not liking the vocals, but when it comes to "blazing lead guitars", death metal often has high musicianship and some of the best lead guitar players you'll ever hear: I haven't had time to keep up with this thread lately (I wasn't expecting classiccomics.org to become a hotbed of metal, at least relative to the rest of the world. cool). Before this post gets too stale, I want to make clear that the joke was supposed to be on me in that post. I have a sense of humor that doesn't work well online (and maybe not much in real life). The joke was that I have a hard time being open to stuff outside my narrow interests. I wouldn't genuinely say that the music you (or anybody else) likes should die. Not that you were defensive, but I realized I probably sounded a little jerky. I'll check out those videos later, and some of the stuff in other posts. To the extent that I was offering a genuine opinion in my last post about growly metal, it was mostly based on seeing one of those growly groups open for Megadeth, and I remember being starved for a decent guitar solo by the time their set was over. Luckily, there was a feast to be had when Megadeth took the stage. I have to say, I've been less quick to dismiss the stuff I'm hearing from metal channels that are playing metal which isn't tailor-made for me, since this thread started.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2023 12:01:40 GMT -5
"Metal Monday" is stupid. You've probably all heard a radio station at some point have a Metal Monday. Only one day of the week is a little bit metal because of a phonetic coincidence? Combine this error with office workers saying "Happy Monday/Tuesday/etc", and a revulsion to vapid office-speak, and you get Drake IRL wishing co-workers "Happy Metal Wednesday!". It's become the official sign-off of our daily meetings (which was not my direct doing). Yes, I'm a zealot, but apparently it's not too annoying.
It does backfire, though. When my kid wants to get ice cream on a non-scheduled desert day, he has to provide a good reason. He knows I can't say no to "We're celebrating Heavy Metal Thursday."
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Post by impulse on Feb 15, 2023 12:18:28 GMT -5
"Metal Monday" is stupid. You've probably all heard a radio station at some point have a Metal Monday. Only one day of the week is a little bit metal because of a phonetic coincidence? Combine this error with office workers saying "Happy Monday/Tuesday/etc", and a revulsion to vapid office-speak, and you get Drake IRL wishing co-workers "Happy Metal Wednesday!". It's become the official sign-off of our daily meetings (which was not my direct doing). Yes, I'm a zealot, but apparently it's not too annoying. It does backfire, though. When my kid wants to get ice cream on a non-scheduled desert day, he has to provide a good reason. He knows I can't say no to "We're celebrating Heavy Metal Thursday." Not to be confused with Mandatory Metallica which radio stations did every day in the 90s at the same time, which I fully support! Like metal, there is no need to arbitrarily need an excuse to justify getting ice cream. Ice cream justifies itsef.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2023 12:37:54 GMT -5
"Metal Monday" is stupid. You've probably all heard a radio station at some point have a Metal Monday. Only one day of the week is a little bit metal because of a phonetic coincidence? Combine this error with office workers saying "Happy Monday/Tuesday/etc", and a revulsion to vapid office-speak, and you get Drake IRL wishing co-workers "Happy Metal Wednesday!". It's become the official sign-off of our daily meetings (which was not my direct doing). Yes, I'm a zealot, but apparently it's not too annoying. It does backfire, though. When my kid wants to get ice cream on a non-scheduled desert day, he has to provide a good reason. He knows I can't say no to "We're celebrating Heavy Metal Thursday." Not to be confused with Mandatory Metallica which radio stations did every day in the 90s at the same time, which I fully support! Like metal, there is no need to arbitrarily need an excuse to justify getting ice cream. Ice cream justifies itsef. Hey, I'm trying to be a more authoritarian parent, here! No sundae until you finish your Scorpions! Yeah, I've experienced Mandatory Metallica. As phonetic coincidences go, it's a fortunate one.
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Post by impulse on Feb 15, 2023 12:49:53 GMT -5
Not to be confused with Mandatory Metallica which radio stations did every day in the 90s at the same time, which I fully support! Like metal, there is no need to arbitrarily need an excuse to justify getting ice cream. Ice cream justifies itsef. Hey, I'm trying to be a more authoritarian parent, here! No sundae until you finish your Scorpions! Yeah, I've experienced Mandatory Metallica. As phonetic coincidences go, it's a fortunate one. Last time I went out for ice cream, I wore my Metallica shirt, and was approached by a fellow fan who was there for ice cream. We swapped concert stories. Mandatory Metallica was downright inspirational to me in the 90s. It was vital in the pre-streaming era. I was exploring current heavy music a bit from the commercial period, but one night they played an 80s Metallica song and I went WHOA WHAT WAS THAT??? I NEED MORE!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2023 13:40:31 GMT -5
I can understand not liking the vocals, but when it comes to "blazing lead guitars", death metal often has high musicianship and some of the best lead guitar players you'll ever hear: I haven't had time to keep up with this thread lately (I wasn't expecting classiccomics.org to become a hotbed of metal, at least relative to the rest of the world. cool). Before this post gets too stale, I want to make clear that the joke was supposed to be on me in that post. I have a sense of humor that doesn't work well online (and maybe not much in real life). The joke was that I have a hard time being open to stuff outside my narrow interests. I wouldn't genuinely say that the music you (or anybody else) likes should die. Not that you were defensive, but I realized I probably sounded a little jerky. I'll check out those videos later, and some of the stuff in other posts. To the extent that I was offering a genuine opinion in my last post about growly metal, it was mostly based on seeing one of those growly groups open for Megadeth, and I remember being starved for a decent guitar solo by the time their set was over. Luckily, there was a feast to be had when Megadeth took the stage. I have to say, I've been less quick to dismiss the stuff I'm hearing from metal channels that are playing metal which isn't tailor-made for me, since this thread started. Oh, your joke was not taken that way at all, I am so sorry! I should probably apologize actually, I get SO nerdy with this stuff, sometimes I get excited to post additional info when I could have been taking a moment to actually laugh because your comment was actually hilarious. Your humor translates plenty well in my opinion, I've always appreciated your posts...metal heads tend to be a fun bunch and if we were in person getting to meet and chat on this stuff I feel like we would have a ripping good time I go on a lot about being a guitar player, and sometimes I see everything through the eyes of my instrument self-admittedly. But a great band is so much more, something I should reflect on more at times.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2023 15:35:51 GMT -5
I haven't had time to keep up with this thread lately (I wasn't expecting classiccomics.org to become a hotbed of metal, at least relative to the rest of the world. cool). Before this post gets too stale, I want to make clear that the joke was supposed to be on me in that post. I have a sense of humor that doesn't work well online (and maybe not much in real life). The joke was that I have a hard time being open to stuff outside my narrow interests. I wouldn't genuinely say that the music you (or anybody else) likes should die. Not that you were defensive, but I realized I probably sounded a little jerky. I'll check out those videos later, and some of the stuff in other posts. To the extent that I was offering a genuine opinion in my last post about growly metal, it was mostly based on seeing one of those growly groups open for Megadeth, and I remember being starved for a decent guitar solo by the time their set was over. Luckily, there was a feast to be had when Megadeth took the stage. I have to say, I've been less quick to dismiss the stuff I'm hearing from metal channels that are playing metal which isn't tailor-made for me, since this thread started. Oh, your joke was not taken that way at all, I am so sorry! I should probably apologize actually, I get SO nerdy with this stuff, sometimes I get excited to post additional info when I could have been taking a moment to actually laugh because your comment was actually hilarious. Your humor translates plenty well in my opinion, I've always appreciated your posts...metal heads tend to be a fun bunch and if we were in person getting to meet and chat on this stuff I feel like we would have a ripping good time I go on a lot about being a guitar player, and sometimes I see everything through the eyes of my instrument self-admittedly. But a great band is so much more, something I should reflect on more at times. Nerd out, man. As a musically-unskilled and low-brow kind of guy, I very much appreciate the perspective of yourself, impulse , and the other folks whose opinions are more grounded in in the technical aspects of the music. Speaking of, what's everyone's opinion on the production quality of the first Sabbath record? I love the feeling of them being plugged in right there in front of me. The sound on that record is probably more out of necessity than the band trying to create that sound, though. I imagine a lot of people wouldn't mind if it had sounded more... polished. A track for reference:
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Post by impulse on Feb 15, 2023 15:54:32 GMT -5
Oh, @draketungsten, I'm not nearly as fancy as Supercat. He's a legit professional musician. I'm a living room shredder. Total hobbyist. I just listen to A LOT of music. A lot a lot, and I really hone in on details to figure out what I like, what I don't, and why.
As to that first Sabbath album...is that even a question? That sound is legendary, especially on that opening song. It doesn't sound like modern metal, but that's fine with me. I love that everyone's in the room, organic, blended sound. It's so heavy and doomy and sinister and man. I can see why it is heralded as the turning point if not the definitive starting point.
Also, heavy as it is, IMO Iommi was never able to fully capture on record how heavy his sound is live. I saw Sabbath about 10 years ago when they reunited with Ozzy, and I couldn't believe how much heavier and more raw Tony's guitar tone was live. I can only imagine what it was like seeing these guys back in the 70s.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2023 16:04:29 GMT -5
Speaking of, what's everyone's opinion on the production quality of the first Sabbath record? I love the feeling of them being plugged in right there in front of me. The sound on that record is probably more out of necessity than the band trying to create that sound, though. I imagine a lot of people wouldn't mind if it had sounded more... polished. A track for reference: Favorite Sabbath album, favorite Sabbath song right there. Love the production and feeling of the whole thing as you said. Plug in and play, simple as that, I think it was perfect. "Behind the Wall of Sleep" is my other favorite track off of it, but again love the whole album. Also, Tony was still tuning normally at this point and on the next album, and while the lower tuning that started on Master of Reality became the trademark, I think those first two albums were perfect as is.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2023 16:18:02 GMT -5
Speaking of, what's everyone's opinion on the production quality of the first Sabbath record? I love the feeling of them being plugged in right there in front of me. The sound on that record is probably more out of necessity than the band trying to create that sound, though. I imagine a lot of people wouldn't mind if it had sounded more... polished. Favorite Sabbath album, favorite Sabbath song right there. Love the production and feeling of the whole thing as you said. Plug in and play, simple as that, I think it was perfect. "Behind the Wall of Sleep" is my other favorite track off of it, but again love the whole album. Also, Tony was still tuning normally at this point and on the next album, and while the lower tuning that started on Master of Reality became the trademark, I think those first two albums were perfect as is. See, this is me learning. I thought he was down-tuning from the start, due to his finger situation. Not that I can tell you for sure whether or not somebody's down-tuning, but that's the way I remember hearing the story.
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