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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2023 16:27:22 GMT -5
Oh, @draketungsten , I'm not nearly as fancy as Supercat. He's a legit professional musician. I'm a living room shredder. Total hobbyist. I just listen to A LOT of music. A lot a lot, and I really hone in on details to figure out what I like, what I don't, and why. Eh, I see you pick up on stuff that I don't. And you're not dumbfounded with a guitar in front of you. I wasn't sure if my love for that sound was just one of those weirdo Drake things. After all, it's the founding of my religion. I can't trust myself to be sensible about it. I've only seen them twice. Once with Ozzy in the '90s, but I enjoyed the Martin-era show just as much. It was a really small venue, and I could almost reach out and touch Geezer and Tony. I was the only one singing along to the new tracks, while the jerks were chanting "Dio! Dio!". Anyway, yeah, crushing live sound. (huh, I have a funny definition of not having time to participate in the metal thread) |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2023 16:33:50 GMT -5
Favorite Sabbath album, favorite Sabbath song right there. Love the production and feeling of the whole thing as you said. Plug in and play, simple as that, I think it was perfect. "Behind the Wall of Sleep" is my other favorite track off of it, but again love the whole album. Also, Tony was still tuning normally at this point and on the next album, and while the lower tuning that started on Master of Reality became the trademark, I think those first two albums were perfect as is. See, this is me learning. I thought he was down-tuning from the start, due to his finger situation. Not that I can tell you for sure whether or not somebody's down-tuning, but that's the way I remember hearing the story. You're thinking about it right, he did have to adjust his playing due to the accident before they started recording. What he did originally was use lighter gauge strings (which is one way of relieving string tension) and then by the 3rd album he started to down tune (the other way you can relieve string tension). If you compare say Children of the Grave to Paranoid, Children of the Grave might sound heavier since it is downtuned even though they are played in the same relative key. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2023 16:36:41 GMT -5
Oh, @draketungsten , I'm not nearly as fancy as Supercat. He's a legit professional musician. I'm a living room shredder. Total hobbyist. I just listen to A LOT of music. A lot a lot, and I really hone in on details to figure out what I like, what I don't, and why. Eh, I see you pick up on stuff that I don't. And you're not dumbfounded with a guitar in front of you. is modest, he is very knowledgeable and knows plenty of "pro" guitar player information  |
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Post by impulse on Feb 15, 2023 17:05:54 GMT -5
MWGallaher One thing that stuck out to me is you mentioned nautical and Ahab. While it's not quite in line with what you described, the band Mastadon has an entire album themed around Captain Ahab/Moby Dick. You might enjoy this for the sheer determined theming of it. The band is Mastodon and the album is Leviathan. This is the first song on the album and the one that got me to notice them: It's also the first time I remember noticing a band who seemed to have a lead drummer. The guys gets busy. I wasn't expecting classiccomics.org to become a hotbed of metal, at least relative to the rest of the world. cool It's great, isn't it?? Eh, I see you pick up on stuff that I don't. And you're not dumbfounded with a guitar in front of you. Well, shoot. You're too kind. Like I said, I listen to A LOT of music, very closely. I read up a lot, too. And chat a lot. Honestly, if money were no object, this is what I would spend my days doing. Just BSing about metal ha. You have a way with words, and I agree your sense of humor is appreciated here. I've definitely noticed you come in waves, and I'm glad when you do! make sure to listen to the "The System Has Failed" and "United Abominations" albums by Megadeth. They're right up your alley based on our prior chats. impulse is modest, he is very knowledgeable and knows plenty of "pro" guitar player information Well, shoot. You guys are too kind. I certainly try!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2023 17:59:23 GMT -5
See, this is me learning. I thought he was down-tuning from the start, due to his finger situation. Not that I can tell you for sure whether or not somebody's down-tuning, but that's the way I remember hearing the story. You're thinking about it right, he did have to adjust his playing due to the accident before they started recording. What he did originally was use lighter gauge strings (which is one way of relieving string tension) and then by the 3rd album he started to down tune (the other way you can relieve string tension). If you compare say Children of the Grave to Paranoid, Children of the Grave might sound heavier since it is downtuned even though they are played in the same relative key. I noticed the heavy jump between Paranoid and Master Of Reality, but for all I knew, that was a result of down-tuning even more (don't know if that's a thing) than what I assumed was on the first two records. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2023 18:05:16 GMT -5
I've definitely noticed you come in waves, and I'm glad when you do! make sure to listen to the "The System Has Failed" and "United Abominations" albums by Megadeth. They're right up your alley based on our prior chats. I gave the whole catalog a once-over last year, or whenever it was. With a little more distance and no chance of being Megadeth-ed out (blasphemy, I know), I'll take another look. I know some of those songs already made it to my playlist. |
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Post by impulse on Feb 15, 2023 18:14:54 GMT -5
I noticed the heavy jump between Paranoid and Master Of Reality, but for all I knew, that was a result of down-tuning even more (don't know if that's a thing) than what I assumed was on the first two records. Oh, it sure is. The theme for modern metal should be limbo, because it's HOW LOOOWWWWWW CAN YOU GOOOO! - The Wizard is in good old standard E.
- Metallica's Enter Sandman is in E.
- Metallica's The Memory Remains is in E flat, so that's one half-step down (think one fret on a guitar).
- Godsmack's Keep Away is in drop D. Most things in normal, but the lowest string is two frets below E.
- System of a Down's first album is in Drop C. So the whole guitar is tuned down 2 frets, plus the low string is tuned down two more below that. I don't recall what Iommi did at his lowest, but I think he was around C standard? so the whole guitar tuned down 4 frets.
- Alice in Chains gets into Drop C sharp and maybe Drop C?
It's hard to go much lower on a six string than C standard without the strings slapping about like wire noodles, but that's the fun of 7+ string guitars which I really want to get into one day! There are 8 string guitars, 9 string... Korn plays on 7 string guitars, and they tune down to A standard, so basically a whole 7 frets lower than standard E on a regular guitar. And there are guys that go lower than that... Don't hold me to any of this as I'm going from memory really quickly. |
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Post by impulse on Feb 17, 2023 11:47:42 GMT -5
So, is anyone into the more robotic side of rock and metal? I'm of course talking about industrial rock/metal, which is such an obvious hybrid that would work well together. Combine driving, mechanical drives with distorted, metallic sounding guitars, and of course it's going to click.
Like many a kid in my age range, the original Mortal Kombat Motion Picture Soundtrack was one of my earlier intros to the harder side of music, and it runs a pretty good range of electronic and rock/metal styles. It was certainly the first time I had heard the group Napalm Death. This soundtrack still holds up to this day and remains a favorite of mine.
More recently (than the mid 90s ha) I discovered German group Die Krupps. This is the first song I think of for them.
This sounds like a rerecording or remix compared to the version I'm familiar with, but it gets the point across.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2023 0:20:45 GMT -5
So, is anyone into the more robotic side of rock and metal? I'm of course talking about industrial rock/metal, which is such an obvious hybrid that would work well together. Combine driving, mechanical drives with distorted, metallic sounding guitars, and of course it's going to click. Not so much for me in terms of straightforward albums (though I recall a friend who was always trying to get me into KMFDM), but as you mention Mortal Kombat in that context, I feel like I've heard that style in a lot of video games back in the day and it worked well. This old favorite track immediately came to mind: |
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Post by commond on Feb 18, 2023 17:42:09 GMT -5
I haven't listened to much post-90s metal, but it seems the German thrash bands had a renaissance of sorts in the early 2000s, which is cool because I don't think of thrash lasting that long.
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Post by impulse on Feb 19, 2023 21:17:00 GMT -5
Yeah, thrash has had a comeback since the early-mid 2000s, and I'm not sad about it. Hearing fast, chuggy riffs and ripping epic dueling guitar solos on the radio in 2005 was as welcome as it was surprising.
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Post by commond on Feb 22, 2023 7:13:57 GMT -5
I quite enjoyed this slice of French metal from 1983:
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Post by commond on Feb 23, 2023 7:35:24 GMT -5
I can't really explain it in music terms, but Randy Rhoads' guitar solos in Mr. Crowley and Albert King playing I'll Play The Blues For You at the Montreux Jazz Festival in 1977 are the two times guitar work has truly spoken to me, as it were.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2023 9:10:19 GMT -5
I can't really explain it in music terms, but Randy Rhoads' guitar solos in Mr. Crowley and Albert King playing I'll Play The Blues For You at the Montreux Jazz Festival in 1977 are the two times guitar work has truly spoken to me, as it were. Randy had this amazing gift that transcended technique in that his solos were often "songs within songs", very few lead players, no matter how great their technical skills, truly had/have this gift the way Randy did. Mr. Crowley is a great example of this. |
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Post by impulse on Feb 23, 2023 10:36:07 GMT -5
Technical still can be taught. Truly great creativity? You either have it, or you don't. That's why some of the best players can bore me to tears.
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