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Post by Axe Elf on Jul 2, 2023 13:42:20 GMT -5
I've never seen this directly claimed anywhere, but if Love Gun isn't a complete ripoff of The Hunter, then it was at least heavily influenced by it.
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Post by impulse on Jul 3, 2023 20:13:23 GMT -5
impulse With some time having passed since my first hard look at Megadeth a couple years ago, Dave and the boys came back around on my natural rotation of deep-diving into groups in my collection. Now that they're one of "my" groups, some thoughts: I'm having a much easier time of appreciating the uniqueness of certain songs. Some songs that I wrote off before as generic Megadeth, like Hangar 18 and Tornado Of Souls, I'm really digging now, to the point where I don't know why I considered them generic before. Ellefson is just about everything I want in a metal bass player. And, partly to demonstrate that I'm not just sucking up to Mega-impulse - Marty Friedman isn't even my second-favorite second guitar player in Megadeth. No complaints, of course, but I prefer the Poland albums, and then I tend to jump to 21st century Megadeth for "Hell Yeah!" lead guitar. I've soured somewhat on the less-thrashy late-90s Megadeth, where before, that period was a hook to help me get into them. Now, you're a poseur if you like that crap! (kidding) I'm glad to hear you are enjoying the band! Maybe by the next check-in, you'll have wisely rethought your Marty slander.  Nah, all good. There seems to be a pretty healthy grouping both for Poland or Marty being the best, so if you're favorite in the band is either, you're not too far out there. The great thing about a band like Megadeth is they have had SO MANY STINKING FANTASTIC TALENTS in the group there's almost bound to be someone you like. Rather than saying one is better or worse than another, I sometimes kind of view the various decades as vibes/moods. If you want balls-to-the-wall pure pissed off thrash, there's no touching the 80s stuff. If you're in a more straight-forward rocking vibe, those 90s albums are great. If you like a modern metal take with some old school throwback with a fresh set of clothes, the 00s stuff has some winners. The 10s and the most recent one are a it more of a mixed bag, but there's something to enjoy on pretty much any release of theirs. I'm glad you're getting to enjoy those cuts on Rust in Peace now. Maybe they seem like the "generic" Megadeth songs because they set the example so well? But yeah, some killer playing there. Everyone gives Tornado of Souls the credit, but Lucretia is slept on in my opinion. If the lyrics were on something less bizarre I think it might be better regarded. |
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Post by impulse on Jul 3, 2023 20:14:14 GMT -5
I've never seen this directly claimed anywhere, but if Love Gun isn't a complete ripoff of The Hunter, then it was at least heavily influenced by it. I say, are you implying KISS of all bands may not be the bastions of creative and artistic integrity of the age?? |
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Post by Axe Elf on Jul 4, 2023 14:46:39 GMT -5
I've never seen this directly claimed anywhere, but if Love Gun isn't a complete ripoff of The Hunter, then it was at least heavily influenced by it. I say, are you implying KISS of all bands may not be the bastions of creative and artistic integrity of the age?? Well, it did take them four members to do what Blue Cheer did with three... |
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Post by berkley on Jul 5, 2023 16:46:15 GMT -5
I've never seen this directly claimed anywhere, but if Love Gun isn't a complete ripoff of The Hunter, then it was at least heavily influenced by it.
My first time hearing either of those two tracks. My personal familiarity with Kiss's albums ends with Destroyer since those first three were the ones my older brother owned. I enjoyed them for what they were: simplistic hard rock (or metal, I won't argue the terminology) with some catchy riffs. I should listen to the 4th studio album some time just to see how much of a difference Ezrin made to their sound.
Blue Cheer, I only know one album, the one with Summertime Blues on it. I liked that one a lot - but we lost the album after it became warped to the point of being unplayable. I think it was left on a window ledge in the sun (wasn't me, I swear!).
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Post by Axe Elf on Jul 7, 2023 18:37:38 GMT -5
I've never seen this directly claimed anywhere, but if Love Gun isn't a complete ripoff of The Hunter, then it was at least heavily influenced by it.
My first time hearing either of those two tracks. My personal familiarity with Kiss's albums ends with Destroyer since those first three were the ones my older brother owned. I enjoyed them for what they were: simplistic hard rock (or metal, I won't argue the terminology) with some catchy riffs. I should listen to the 4th studio album some time just to see how much of a difference Ezrin made to their sound.
Blue Cheer, I only know one album, the one with Summertime Blues on it. I liked that one a lot - but we lost the album after it became warped to the point of being unplayable. I think it was left on a window ledge in the sun (wasn't me, I swear!).
Destroyer is axually KISS' 4th studio album, the first three being KISS, Hotter than Hell, and Dressed to Kill. Then came Alive, and then Destroyer, which was produced by Bob Ezrin. Rock 'N' Roll Over bridged the gap to their 6th studio album, Love Gun, and then Alive II. |
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Post by berkley on Jul 7, 2023 19:15:31 GMT -5
My first time hearing either of those two tracks. My personal familiarity with Kiss's albums ends with Destroyer since those first three were the ones my older brother owned. I enjoyed them for what they were: simplistic hard rock (or metal, I won't argue the terminology) with some catchy riffs. I should listen to the 4th studio album some time just to see how much of a difference Ezrin made to their sound.
Blue Cheer, I only know one album, the one with Summertime Blues on it. I liked that one a lot - but we lost the album after it became warped to the point of being unplayable. I think it was left on a window ledge in the sun (wasn't me, I swear!).
Destroyer is axually KISS' 4th studio album, the first three being KISS, Hotter than Hell, and Dressed to Kill. Then came Alive, and then Destroyer, which was produced by Bob Ezrin. Rock 'N' Roll Over bridged the gap to their 6th studio album, Love Gun, and then Alive II.
Sorry, my mistake. Looking up the album covers and track listings (as I should have done in the first place instead of relying on memory), I have not heard the Destroyer album, just a few of the radio tracks like Beth. And I'm not 100% sure about Dressed to Kill either. So the only ones I now feel certain of are the first 2 (rather than 3), Kiss and Hotter than Hell. I'll have to ask my brother next time I'm talking to him, to make sure - he has all our old records at his place since I don't own a turn-table.
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Post by Axe Elf on Jul 7, 2023 20:38:52 GMT -5
Destroyer is axually KISS' 4th studio album, the first three being KISS, Hotter than Hell, and Dressed to Kill. Then came Alive, and then Destroyer, which was produced by Bob Ezrin. Rock 'N' Roll Over bridged the gap to their 6th studio album, Love Gun, and then Alive II.
Sorry, my mistake. Looking up the album covers and track listings (as I should have done in the first place instead of relying on memory), I have not heard the Destroyer album, just a few of the radio tracks like Beth. And I'm not 100% sure about Dressed to Kill either. So the only ones I now feel certain of are the first 2 (rather than 3), Kiss and Hotter than Hell. I'll have to ask my brother next time I'm talking to him, to make sure - he has all our old records at his place since I don't own a turn-table.
Destroyer was largely considered a landmark powerhouse album. Highly recommended. |
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Post by berkley on Jul 7, 2023 21:19:32 GMT -5
Sorry, my mistake. Looking up the album covers and track listings (as I should have done in the first place instead of relying on memory), I have not heard the Destroyer album, just a few of the radio tracks like Beth. And I'm not 100% sure about Dressed to Kill either. So the only ones I now feel certain of are the first 2 (rather than 3), Kiss and Hotter than Hell. I'll have to ask my brother next time I'm talking to him, to make sure - he has all our old records at his place since I don't own a turn-table.
Destroyer was largely considered a landmark powerhouse album. Highly recommended.
Bob Ezrin produced some of my favourite records - the old Alice Cooper Band (Killer etc), Lou Reed's Berlin, the first Peter Gabriel solo album - so I've always been a little curious to hear it, in spite of not being an enormous Kiss fan or liking that Beth song much.
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Post by Axe Elf on Jul 7, 2023 21:41:36 GMT -5
Destroyer was largely considered a landmark powerhouse album. Highly recommended.
Bob Ezrin produced some of my favourite records - the old Alice Cooper Band (Killer etc), Lou Reed's Berlin, the first Peter Gabriel solo album - so I've always been a little curious to hear it, in spite of not being an enormous Kiss fan or liking that Beth song much.
Yeah, Beth was supposed to be a throwaway track, the B-side to Detroit Rock City, but it became one of their biggest hits. And we like a lot of the same music... |
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Post by Axe Elf on Jul 8, 2023 0:24:10 GMT -5
Parenthetically (or not so parenthetically, as this IS a comic site), the covers for both the Destroyer and Love Gun albums were both done by the nephew of Frank Frazetta's wife Ellie--Ken Kelley--who also contributed many covers to the Warren (CREEPY and EERIE) and "Warrant" magazines, among others. I believe he died within the past year.
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Post by berkley on Jul 8, 2023 0:27:09 GMT -5
Bob Ezrin produced some of my favourite records - the old Alice Cooper Band (Killer etc), Lou Reed's Berlin, the first Peter Gabriel solo album - so I've always been a little curious to hear it, in spite of not being an enormous Kiss fan or liking that Beth song much.
Yeah, Beth was supposed to be a throwaway track, the B-side to Detroit Rock City, but it became one of their biggest hits. And we like a lot of the same music...
Yes, I remember there was a bit of controversy or negative reaction from some fans - "They sold out! It sounds like Rod Stewart!" .
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Post by Axe Elf on Jul 11, 2023 0:01:16 GMT -5
New 3 days ago...
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Post by Rob Allen on Aug 29, 2023 18:35:12 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2023 11:19:42 GMT -5
The Latin American love of metal is legendary. If you ever get to see Metallica's Orgullo, Pasión, y Gloria: Tres Noches en la Ciudad de México concert (I have it on DVD), it has great interviews and candid moments with the folks in Mexico City who are pumped to see Metallica. You can't help but get swept up in their enthusiasm, it makes me wish I could go see a concert with them. Anthrax's Chile on Hell DVD captures some of that as well. Then you have bands themselves like the legendary Sepultura out of Brazil, the power metal band Angra is out of there as well. My college metal band was down in New Mexico, and we had 2-3 Latino members at various points. |
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