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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2023 10:51:00 GMT -5
I just thought my timeline branching might be interesting to consider (though clearly it is not) since as zaku posted, they actually DID say in some of the comics from that era there were alternate timelines. If some events could all work in a common timeline, that's interesting to contemplate as well, I don't think the point was to say that's not viable. But if a canon comic says the Time Trapper destroyed some other timelines to get rid of the Legion, why would you argue there is ONLY one timeline that everything can fit into? This thread has completely reversed my perspective...at first I was like "Legion future is the real one", now I'm standing up for the alternate timelines. Curse you zaku haha!! I'm fine with alternate timelines too. To the extent I have a dog in this fight, which isn't a large extent, I'm fine with anything that gives the creators and opportunity to do fun stuff rather than tying their hands to someone's precious continuity. We agree fully, it should never be at the expense of a good story! Might be why I really enjoy Elseworlds stuff so much for later DC come to think of it... |
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Post by Prince Hal on Sept 26, 2023 10:56:52 GMT -5
I'm fine with alternate timelines too. To the extent I have a dog in this fight, which isn't a large extent, I'm fine with anything that gives the creators and opportunity to do fun stuff rather than tying their hands to someone's precious continuity. We agree fully, it should never be at the expense of a good story! Might be why I really enjoy Elseworlds stuff so much for later DC come to think of it... Aka Imaginary Stories/ Alternate Dimensions/ Other Earths/ Parallel Universes. ("New!" has always been the most effective word in advertising.) |
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Post by Cei-U! on Sept 26, 2023 11:17:48 GMT -5
I'm fine with anything that gives the creators and opportunity to do fun stuff rather than tying their hands to someone's precious continuity. This. A thousand time this.
Cei-U! Just entertain me, dagnabit!
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Post by Rob Allen on Sept 26, 2023 11:31:22 GMT -5
Wasn't there a story that said that in one timeline, a certain blond-haired boy would be called Kamandi and in another, that boy would be called Tommy Tomorrow?
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Post by EdoBosnar on Sept 26, 2023 11:33:00 GMT -5
I'm fine with alternate timelines too. To the extent I have a dog in this fight, which isn't a large extent, I'm fine with anything that gives the creators and opportunity to do fun stuff rather than tying their hands to someone's precious continuity. Yup. Which is why my only other contribution to this thread has been to ponder the fact that there's a Green Lantern named Xenofobe... |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2023 11:41:39 GMT -5
I'm fine with alternate timelines too. To the extent I have a dog in this fight, which isn't a large extent, I'm fine with anything that gives the creators and opportunity to do fun stuff rather than tying their hands to someone's precious continuity. Yup. Which is why my only other contribution to this thread has been to ponder the fact that there's a Green Lantern named Xenofobe... But do you like the thread? |
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Post by rberman on Sept 26, 2023 11:42:52 GMT -5
Just say that Kamandi's world happened either before or after LSH time. I know, probably there are some references in Kamandi stories to when it happens, but how reliable are their records, anyway?
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Post by mikelmidnight on Sept 26, 2023 11:46:08 GMT -5
There were actually several other alternate futures for Earth-One besides the Legion's and Kamandi's. There was a whole series of stories from the Weisinger stable featuring the 30th Century descendants of Superman, Batman, and The Joker, stories set in a future clearly distinct from the LSH's. Flash's foe Abra Kadabra was from yet another alternate future. Green Lantern sometimes went adventuring in the 58th Century using the alternate identity of Pol Manning. Then there were those timelines where Tommy Tomorrow and Space Ranger had their adventures, and on and on. Even as a kid, it was obvious to me that Earth-1 had innumerable potential futures but that Kamandi's and the Legion's were the most likely, based on how often they interacted with the 20th century. I assumed Tommy Tomorrow and Space Ranger were on the path to the Legion? They're just in the early exploratory phase. Also worth mentioning is that one of the anthologies (Weird War?) had 'Tales of the Great Disaster,' and that OMAC, Hercules Unbound, and the Atomic Knights all were in Kamandi's timeline (somehow), so there was a fair amount of creative investment into it, even though not as much as there was in the Legion. The 30th Century descendants of Superman, Batman, and The Joker are a separate issue, admittedly, but I eventually figured they were the future of Mark Gruenwald's Earth-E. |
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Post by zaku on Sept 26, 2023 11:50:08 GMT -5
I just thought my timeline branching might be interesting to consider (though clearly it is not) since as zaku posted, they actually DID say in some of the comics from that era there were alternate timelines. If some events could all work in a common timeline, that's interesting to contemplate as well, I don't think the point was to say that's not viable. But if a canon comic says the Time Trapper destroyed some other timelines to get rid of the Legion, why would you argue there is ONLY one timeline that everything can fit into? This thread has completely reversed my perspective...at first I was like "Legion future is the real one", now I'm standing up for the alternate timelines. Curse you zaku haha!! I'm fine with alternate timelines too. To the extent I have a dog in this fight, which isn't a large extent, I'm fine with anything that gives the creators and opportunity to do fun stuff rather than tying their hands to someone's precious continuity. Well, I think the people at DC Comics listened to you because after Dark Crisis the new policy is that EVERYTHING is canon  Every Elseworld, every alternate Earth that has ever appeared, Hypertime, every alternate timeline, every fictional story, every television series featuring DC characters, every movie, every DC video game, every Wildstorm comic, ABC Comics, Vertigo, EVERYTHING exists somewhere in the DC Omniverse! . |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Sept 26, 2023 11:54:52 GMT -5
I'm fine with alternate timelines too. To the extent I have a dog in this fight, which isn't a large extent, I'm fine with anything that gives the creators and opportunity to do fun stuff rather than tying their hands to someone's precious continuity. Well, I think the people at DC Comics listened to you because after Dark Crisis the new policy is that EVERYTHING is canon Every Elseworld, every alternate Earth that has ever appeared, Hypertime, every alternate timeline, every fictional story, every television series featuring DC characters, every movie, every DC video game, every Wildstorm comic, ABC Comics, Vertigo, EVERYTHING exists somewhere in the DC Omniverse! It's about time someone listened to me. |
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Post by Cei-U! on Sept 26, 2023 11:58:36 GMT -5
Wasn't there a story that said that in one timeline, a certain blond-haired boy would be called Kamandi and in another, that boy would be called Tommy Tomorrow? Probably. All I remember is a brief scene in COIE #12 which shows Kamandi being found in his bunker by his future foster father, stating that he will grow up to be Tommy Tomorrow.
Cei-U! I summon the faulty memory!
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Post by Chris on Sept 26, 2023 11:59:44 GMT -5
That was just writer Elliot Maggin having fun. Back when fun was allowed. |
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Post by tarkintino on Sept 26, 2023 12:00:34 GMT -5
I just thought my timeline branching might be interesting to consider (though clearly it is not) since as zaku posted, they actually DID say in some of the comics from that era there were alternate timelines. If some events could all work in a common timeline, that's interesting to contemplate as well, I don't think the point was to say that's not viable. But if a canon comic says the Time Trapper destroyed some other timelines to get rid of the Legion, why would you argue there is ONLY one timeline that everything can fit into? This thread has completely reversed my perspective...at first I was like "Legion future is the real one", now I'm standing up for the alternate timelines. Curse you zaku haha!! Alternate timelines lose the ground they stand on the second a character in the present of the prime timeline acknowledges said alternate timeline as merely his or her own future--not an alternate timeline at all. That's exactly what happened in TBATB #120. Its the anything goes situation which fatigued writers and readers until comic history's best solution came along to correct a long off-course ship. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2023 12:02:23 GMT -5
I do love the spirit of "enjoy the story, don't worry about the continuity" and other common sense things we should all nod our heads at. BUT...I do wonder why have a forum if you don't have topics to discuss just for fun.
This thread was really to talk about continuity as a topic of interest for those who enjoy thinking in that space. If I wander into a Stan Lee discussion and say "doesn't matter, they are all gone now, let's just enjoy the comics for what they are", a lot of folks would be like "get out of here!"
I feel like sometimes the "long-timers" just kind of wander in, pee on things a little, high five each other (you can just feel some of those "likes" coming), and then wander off. Maybe be a part of the conversations and play along? Or don't? Sorry, I know that seems a little mean, and I really don't mean for it to be. Thanks for listening.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Sept 26, 2023 12:03:33 GMT -5
I just thought my timeline branching might be interesting to consider (though clearly it is not) since as zaku posted, they actually DID say in some of the comics from that era there were alternate timelines. If some events could all work in a common timeline, that's interesting to contemplate as well, I don't think the point was to say that's not viable. But if a canon comic says the Time Trapper destroyed some other timelines to get rid of the Legion, why would you argue there is ONLY one timeline that everything can fit into? This thread has completely reversed my perspective...at first I was like "Legion future is the real one", now I'm standing up for the alternate timelines. Curse you zaku haha!! Alternate timelines lose the ground they stand on the second a character in the present of the prime timeline acknowledges said alternate timeline as merely his or her own future--not an alternate timeline at all. That's exactly what happened in TBATB #120. Its the anything goes situation which fatigued writers and readers until comic history's best solution came along to correct a long off-course ship. Goodness knows that character couldn't be wrong. That's unpossible. |
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