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Post by codystarbuck on Feb 7, 2024 0:45:00 GMT -5
Love Gene Colan drawing Daredevil; but, in terms of stories, some of my favorites are from the Len Wein and Bob Brown run, and Marv Wolfman and Brown. I think Len Wein's work on Daredevil consisted of writing part of DD #71 and part of #124, both of which were drawn by Gene Colan. #124 is what I meant, which is part Len Wein, part Marv Wolfman, part Gene Colan and part Bob Brown.. Wolfman and Brown continue the story in #125. |
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Post by chaykinstevens on Feb 7, 2024 3:09:40 GMT -5
I think Len Wein's work on Daredevil consisted of writing part of DD #71 and part of #124, both of which were drawn by Gene Colan. #124 is what I meant, which is part Len Wein, part Marv Wolfman, part Gene Colan and part Bob Brown.. Wolfman and Brown continue the story in #125. I don't think Bob Brown contributed to DD #124. |
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Post by Cei-U! on Feb 7, 2024 4:52:38 GMT -5
#124 is what I meant, which is part Len Wein, part Marv Wolfman, part Gene Colan and part Bob Brown.. Wolfman and Brown continue the story in #125. I don't think Bob Brown contributed to DD #124. I just checked and you are correct.
Cei-U! I summon the affirmation!
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Post by kirby101 on Feb 7, 2024 9:19:43 GMT -5
After years of loving Colan's DD, I found the run up to Miller very hit or miss. Some fill in artists I liked, the Buscemas, Byrne, Kane and some didn't do it for me. I was not a fan of the Bob Brown issues. I liked Colan's return right before Miller took over.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Feb 7, 2024 10:11:13 GMT -5
Let's hear it too for Klaus Janson, whose inking really made the book stand out! In fact, I can't say that I noticed much change between Kane-Janson and Miller-Janson in terms of atmosphere. It was Janson who gave the DD comic most of its street-level look: gritty, dirty, highly contrasted, rough but also beautiful.
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Post by kirby101 on Feb 7, 2024 10:23:50 GMT -5
So true. didn't he take over most of the art chores during the Miller run?
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Post by k7p5v on Feb 7, 2024 11:55:34 GMT -5
In agreement with the majority in wanting a team-up/crossover between TMNT & DD, if it ever happens. But I'll settle for this bit of homage, instead...   |
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Post by codystarbuck on Feb 7, 2024 12:12:37 GMT -5
I misread credits between the two issues; it was Wein and Wolfman splitting duties and Brown coming on in #125, in the second part of the story. I can't recall what the deal was with the script, whether it was a story that Wein had unfinished and Marv took a crack at it, or what. Whatever, I loved the basic premise of DD dealing with a vigilante, inspired by a pulp hero, with very black & white ideas about crime fighting....basically, DD vs The Spider ...more than the Shadow, if you ask me, as the Shadow was hard (and hooked) nosed; but, the Spider was pure nuts!
In reading old issues, I did not care for the idea of Matt Murdock defending the very villains he helped capture, as Daredevil. Thanfully, it was not carried on for extended periods. A one time story, where Matt has to reconcile his sense of justice with his beliefs in civil rights and the sanctity of the law is one thing, but those stories weren't that deep.
I never get why people are down on Bob Brown (okay, that was deliberate); I liked his work on Daredevil and thought he also did a good Batman. He was best when paired with Janson, which probably means I liked Janson more than Brown. Still, I thought he did a fine job. Not as good as Colan, but who is? Colan made DD dance and swing across the page, with those cinematic layouts and was terrific with body language and facial expressions.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Feb 7, 2024 12:53:59 GMT -5
So true. didn't he take over most of the art chores during the Miller run? Yes, absolutely. Pencils, inks, colours, Janson could handle them all! |
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Post by kirby101 on Feb 7, 2024 15:40:06 GMT -5
I never get why people are down on Bob Brown (okay, that was deliberate); I liked his work on Daredevil and thought he also did a good Batman. He was best when paired with Janson, which probably means I liked Janson more than Brown. Still, I thought he did a fine job. Not as good as Colan, but who is? Colan made DD dance and swing across the page, with those cinematic layouts and was terrific with body language and facial expressions. I can't judge Brown on his artistic ability, it's just I didn't care for the comics he drew. It comes down to liking what an artist's work looks like, or not.
There is a fair amount of reading a comic when you just stare at a panel or page. Something in the work touches you. Sometimes it doesn't. At times it is because the artist is just bad. That is not the case with Brown. But I would much rather read a book by Sal Buscema than Brown. Not that Brown was inferior, just not to my liking. Following Colan also worked against him.
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Post by Prince Hal on Feb 7, 2024 16:18:38 GMT -5
I never get why people are down on Bob Brown (okay, that was deliberate); I liked his work on Daredevil and thought he also did a good Batman. He was best when paired with Janson, which probably means I liked Janson more than Brown. Still, I thought he did a fine job. Not as good as Colan, but who is? Colan made DD dance and swing across the page, with those cinematic layouts and was terrific with body language and facial expressions. I can't judge Brown on his artistic ability, it's just I didn't care for the comics he drew. It comes down to liking what an artist's work looks like, or not.
There is a fair amount of reading a comic when you just stare at a panel or page. Something in the work touches you. Sometimes it doesn't. At times it is because the artist is just bad. That is not the case with Brown. But I would much rather read a book by Sal Buscema than Brown. Not that Brown was inferior, just not to my liking. Following Colan also worked against him.
I never cared for Brown on Batman and Detective, where he was inked way too often by Joe Giella, but I thought he was perfect for adventure-style books like Challengers and Tomahawk, where he inked himself. And as much as I liked Bruno Premiani on Doom Patrol, Brown's covers were a good part of the attraction of the DP. Also like his work on 50s and early 60s mystery and genre stories. The team of Brown and Wally Wood made Superboy stories quite appealing for almost a year there in 1969. |
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Post by commond on Feb 7, 2024 18:00:14 GMT -5
In agreement with the majority in wanting a team-up/crossover between TMNT & DD, if it ever happens. But I'll settle for this bit of homage, instead... Interestingly, I just read an issue of Daredevil that takes a dig at the Turtles: "Ninja. Not some mutated reptiles in half-shells. The real thing." |
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Post by kirby101 on Feb 7, 2024 18:03:00 GMT -5
I am not as familiar with Brown's DC work and am mainly commenting on his work on DD and Avengers. But it sounds like Dion Heck, who did excellent work in the 50s, but wasn't as strong on the Marvel Silver Age books when he was asked to draw like Kirby.
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Post by commond on Feb 7, 2024 19:29:42 GMT -5
"Born Again" is a gripping read and a worthy last hurrah return for Miller, following his earlier run. I guess you meant last hurrah on the regular title. He produced Elektra: Assassin, Daredevil: Love and War, Elektra Lives Again, and Man Without Fear after doing Born Again. Apparently, there was supposed to be a two-part Frank Miller/Walt Simonson story published right after Born Again but it was never completed. |
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Post by Confessor on Feb 7, 2024 19:51:47 GMT -5
"Born Again" is a gripping read and a worthy last hurrah return for Miller, following his earlier run. I guess you meant last hurrah on the regular title. He produced Elektra: Assassin, Daredevil: Love and War, Elektra Lives Again, and Man Without Fear after doing Born Again. Ummmm...I guess I did, yeah.  To be honest, I'd forgotten about the Daredevil: Love and War graphic novel and I don't think I've ever heard of Elektra Lives Again and Man Without Fear. I definitely wasn't talking about Elektra: Assassin though, as I tend to count that as a spin-off, rather than part of Miller's run on Daredevil. |
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