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Post by driver1980 on Nov 13, 2024 6:55:25 GMT -5
The post Crisis Legion was a mess, but I did have this idea long ago that if they insisted on destroying the Superboy lore, but still had freedom with the Shazam family, switch it to Freddy and Mary as the inspirations. I like that. That would have opened up a ton of new storyline possibilities both for contemporary DC and future timelines.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2024 9:00:57 GMT -5
The post Crisis Legion was a mess, but I did have this idea long ago that if they insisted on destroying the Superboy lore, but still had freedom with the Shazam family, switch it to Freddy and Mary as the inspirations. I like that. That would have opened up a ton of new storyline possibilities both for contemporary DC and future timelines. Yeah, I feel like you could substantially keep the general flavor of the classic Silver Age lore intact with some creative reworking in places. Like the classic "Supergirl's Three Super Girl-Friends" becomes "Mary Marvel's Three Super Girl-Friends", and the Red K in the story just becomes "a strange glowing meteor" or something of that nature. Some elements of the Superman mythos would require a little more of a stretch (like the significance of Brainiac 5), but it could be fun. Dr. Sivana could replace the Lex Luthor interactions as an example. And yeah, exactly what you said on opening up new storyline possibilities. Mr. Mind in the future (or is it a descendent?), stuff that could just be a little crazy and cool. I even had a little storyline in my head where Billy feels bad that he can't come along for Legion adventures since as Captain Marvel he's not a teen like Freddy and Mary, but in one story he ends up helping the Legion somehow just as Billy and becomes an honorary Legionnaire since he's still a teen as Billy.
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Post by driver1980 on Nov 13, 2024 9:14:36 GMT -5
Really good ideas, and, you know, I think DC should do those ideas as Elseworlds stories (although you’d surely deserve some royalties for the idea!).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2024 9:36:08 GMT -5
Really good ideas, and, you know, I think DC should do those ideas as Elseworlds stories (although you’d surely deserve some royalties for the idea!). Kind words my friend! I'd love more stuff like this as Elseworlds, I miss the more classic Elseworlds material DC used to produce.
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Post by driver1980 on Nov 13, 2024 9:52:41 GMT -5
Just my opinion, and this may be more of a Marvel thing, but some of the stories which would have made better Elseworlds/What if? tales are now mainstream, making the concept of Elseworlds a tad redundant.
I mean, decades ago, maybe General Ross as Red Hulk would have been a one-issue What If? tale, but in modern times, well they probably got several years and countless spin-offs and one-shots out of it. With DC, you had something like Gotham by Gaslight, but today they’d probably find a way to make that part of regular continuity.
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Post by Batflunkie on Nov 13, 2024 10:01:11 GMT -5
The post Crisis Legion was a mess, but I did have this idea long ago that if they insisted on destroying the Superboy lore, but still had freedom with the Shazam family, switch it to Freddy and Mary as the inspirations. That honestly sounds amazing and I'm all for that!~
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2024 10:07:56 GMT -5
The post Crisis Legion was a mess, but I did have this idea long ago that if they insisted on destroying the Superboy lore, but still had freedom with the Shazam family, switch it to Freddy and Mary as the inspirations. That honestly sounds amazing and I'm all for that!~ Thank you sir, I'll start working on the fan fiction haha!
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Post by mikelmidnight on Nov 13, 2024 12:16:02 GMT -5
What do you think might have been a better path for the Superboy/LSH discrepancy? I agree he took a more convoluted path than he needed to. I didn't think of it at the time, but Morrison's idea was a good one, although they never really ran with it: Clark Kent hangs out in Smallville, secretly doing good deeds (a la the tv show) In his mid teens, he is contacted by three members of the Legion, who bring him to the future and gift him with a Superboy costume. He learns to fly with the aid of a flight belt/ring, and his adventures with the Legion are more or less intact. When he is in his early 20s he moves to Metropolis. He establishes himself as a brand-new hero and makes a name for himself ... but at the same time he secretly has years of experience fighting superpowered aliens. So even though he's an unknown quantity, when he encounters a mad scientist robbing a bank with a giant robot, or whatever ... it's small fry to him. So from the beginning he will have the demeanor of an experienced, established superhero.
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Post by mikelmidnight on Nov 13, 2024 12:21:37 GMT -5
The post Crisis Legion was a mess, but I did have this idea long ago that if they insisted on destroying the Superboy lore, but still had freedom with the Shazam family, switch it to Freddy and Mary as the inspirations. On the condition that if you do that, you have to establish CapMarv as a member!
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 13, 2024 16:46:32 GMT -5
The post Crisis Legion was a mess, but I did have this idea long ago that if they insisted on destroying the Superboy lore, but still had freedom with the Shazam family, switch it to Freddy and Mary as the inspirations. On the condition that if you do that, you have to establish CapMarv as a member! Just retcon Mon-El into Marv-El..then make the magic word "S'ha'zam!"
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Post by mikelmidnight on Nov 14, 2024 10:27:38 GMT -5
On the condition that if you do that, you have to establish CapMarv as a member! Just retcon Mon-El into Marv-El..then make the magic word "S'ha'zam!" If we're going to retcon Mon-El substantially anyway, may as well stick with this guy. No direct 20th century ties, but he could play the same role in the Legion as being the local Cap equivalent. CapMarv
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 14, 2024 12:10:33 GMT -5
Just retcon Mon-El into Marv-El..then make the magic word "S'ha'zam!" If we're going to retcon Mon-El substantially anyway, may as well stick with this guy. No direct 20th century ties, but he could play the same role in the Legion as being the local Cap equivalent. CapMarvNever saw that story. That could be cool.
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Post by jtrw2024 on Nov 14, 2024 12:45:33 GMT -5
As some others have mentioned, the simplest solution would be just substituting Superman for Superboy. There's kind of a vague area during the course of The Man of Steel mini-series where some time passes, and we don't really know what adventures Superman has been having. I'd just slot in those Legion of Super-hero team-ups into Superman's "year 1" period. He'd still be fairly close in age to the other Legionnaires, so you could still do youth-oriented stories.
I'd even go so far as to say that the future's historical records from the 20th century aren't necessarily accurate and the people actually think he did have adventures as a boy. Despite insisting that his name should be Superman, every one in the future refers to him as Superboy, so he just kind of goes with that whenever he visits.
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Post by Marv-El on Nov 14, 2024 17:37:43 GMT -5
You know, I'll say this much, Killing Joke might not have been perfect, but it did later give us Barbara as Oracle, which I've always enjoyed That is down to Kim Yale being ticked off about how Barbara was treated within The Killing Joke. DC had no plans for her and didn't seem to care that she had been an important figure in the Bat stories and was still alive after. She was just a sacrifice to the story. Yale was royally pissed and she decided that Barbara wasn't going down like that and then she and John Ostrander created Oracle, in the pages of the Suicide Squad, which then carried beyond, into Birds of Prey and appearances in other books. So, give thanks to Kim Yale for demonstrating to DC editorial what Barbara Gordon was all about and making her an even richer character...and an even more inspirational one. Yale was like that, in her own life and I wish I still had John's column, in CBG, after Kim's passing. It was such a wonderful picture of a bright and shining human being, who fought cancer like a superhero and left the world a better place than she found it. That is inspirational. However all this raises a question for me: which is worse for her, getting paralyzed or un-paralyzed? Barbara has been Oracle for so long that a new generation of readers may only know of her as such and thus not keenly aware of her previous role as Batgirl. For I seemed to recall back when DC was launching their New 52 they were going to have Barbara suddenly walk and become Batgirl again. There was some initial fan backlash over this occurring. This led me to think, what, they want her to stay paralyzed now?
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Post by Marv-El on Nov 14, 2024 17:45:58 GMT -5
On the condition that if you do that, you have to establish CapMarv as a member! Just retcon Mon-El into Marv-El..then make the magic word "S'ha'zam!" Actually Mon-El (or Valor or M'onel) is my favorite Legionnaire. But there's already been a Shazam connection to the Legion that I quite enjoyed: Plus, DC has already incorporated the idea of a younger Clark visiting the 30th century. Around the time that Johns was writing Action Comics, he suggested that young Clark had visited with the Legion and may have had adventures with them as Superboy. This began around the excellent story arc from Action Comics #858-863.
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