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Post by benday-dot on Nov 30, 2014 21:43:14 GMT -5
The Jim Starlin on Warlock and Captain Marvel are great examples as are the Claremont/Byrne on X-Men and Miller on Daredevil examples.
What about Alan Moore taking on Swamp Thing at DC and Robert Leifeld's Supreme at Image.
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Post by JKCarrier on Dec 1, 2014 1:52:39 GMT -5
Denny O'Neil and Neal Adams turning Green Arrow from a 2nd-rate Batman rip-off into a genuinely interesting character.
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Post by Earth 2 Flash on Dec 1, 2014 2:40:19 GMT -5
I thought that changing Dick Grayson's identity from Robin to Nightwing was a really good and very successful rebranding.
As much as I like Wally West as Kid Flash, DC did quite well when they rebranded him as the new Flash.
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Post by the4thpip on Dec 1, 2014 3:39:37 GMT -5
It was a (mostly) great run, but what was so groundbreaking and new about it? Just in the first handful of Hulk stories by Stan Lee, we had the angry gray hulk, we had Banner's mind in Hulk's body and the more child-like Hulk. I'd say intelligent Green Hulk, leading his own think tank/crisis action agency (The Pantheon) was pretty different. That was also hardly one of the best or most popular decisions by PAD on the book. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Dec 1, 2014 6:49:44 GMT -5
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Post by The Captain on Dec 1, 2014 6:56:13 GMT -5
IMO, the best rebranding of an existing character is what Marvel recently did with Wolverine by making him dead.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2014 7:04:06 GMT -5
IMO, the best rebranding of an existing character is what Marvel recently did with Wolverine by making him dead. You mean so they could relaunch the book as a weekly called Wolverines with several Wolverine wannabes running around so there can be Wolverines in every Marvel book and not have people cry foul that one guy can be everywhere? Yeah, that's a great move by Marvel...  -M |
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Post by badwolf on Dec 1, 2014 9:39:02 GMT -5
If it counts, Byrne's post-Crisis Superman. Superman before was stuffy, boring and way too powerful. In the new era it felt like he could really be challenged, and he got out of situations not by suddenly coming up with a silly new super-ability, but by using his brain.
Grant Morrison's Doom Patrol - bringing back the weird for a modern age.
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Post by Dizzy D on Dec 1, 2014 11:00:15 GMT -5
Warren Ellis and Joe Casey (and a few others) on basically the entire Wildstorm Universe.
And as nobody mentioned it yet: Alan Moore's Swamp Thing.
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Post by fanboystranger on Dec 1, 2014 15:24:55 GMT -5
Goodwin and Simonson's Manhunter. Takes a kinda goofy "great white hunter" character and makes him the target of an international conspiracy. The hunter becomes the hunted.
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Post by Paste Pot Paul on Dec 2, 2014 1:53:21 GMT -5
Well I can't talk about Bru's Cap yet, so how bouts 110, 111, and 113 by Steranko. Take over from the King(and creator), about to move on to Gene Colan and John Romita, no pressure there, and you throw in 3 of the greatest issues to EVER feature the character, and tell a spy story thats years ahead of what the rest of them are doing.
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Post by Paste Pot Paul on Dec 2, 2014 1:55:13 GMT -5
I thought that changing Dick Grayson's identity from Robin to Nightwing was a really good and very successful rebranding. As much as I like Wally West as Kid Flash, DC did quite well when they rebranded him as the new Flash. Making Nightwing one of THE best DC characters, and the Flash interesting for the first time in...ever. |
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Post by Earth 2 Flash on Dec 2, 2014 6:08:56 GMT -5
When DC "rebranded" Bat-Girl (Betty Kane) to Batgirl (Barbara Gordon), they made a really great move.
When Barbara eventually became Oracle, they made another really great move.
Then when Barbara was rebooted to be Batgirl in the New 52 they made another great move.
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Post by Paradox on Dec 2, 2014 9:30:11 GMT -5
Definitely She-Hulk belongs on the nomination list. Her first series was pedestrian and uninspired, being there pretty much to grab the TM and not much else. Her personality was quite changed when she resurfaced in Avengers, and later Fantastic Four (that's without even mentioning her great second series, played for laughs, but sort of "out of continuity" in a way). Oddly, I can't even pin the transformation on a writer. At the time, Shooter was "plotting" and had a bunch of different scripters over the months until Grant took over. Could it have been a Shooter idea? Or possibly a lucky break with his tendency to not be that familiar with the current characters and just making stuff up he liked? |
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Post by berkley on Dec 2, 2014 10:03:18 GMT -5
Definitely She-Hulk belongs on the nomination list. Her first series was pedestrian and uninspired, being there pretty much to grab the TM and not much else. Her personality was quite changed when she resurfaced in Avengers, and later Fantastic Four (that's without even mentioning her great second series, played for laughs, but sort of "out of continuity" in a way). Oddly, I can't even pin the transformation on a writer. At the time, Shooter was "plotting" and had a bunch of different scripters over the months until Grant took over. Could it have been a Shooter idea? Or possibly a lucky break with his tendency to not be that familiar with the current characters and just making stuff up he liked? I don't know the various She-Hulk series so not sure which Grant you're talking about, but I always think Shooter would have been a good editor - at DC. I get the feeling that, like a lot of comics pros, however much he might have liked the MU and its characters, he was much more interested in writing Superman et al. But his reign was the death-knell for Marvel as a creative force in the industry. |
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