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Post by chadwilliam on Dec 4, 2014 18:59:11 GMT -5
I'll just echo what others have said about Plastic Man in JLA - seeing him molest Big Barda just helps remind me of why I don't touch anything DC puts out anymore. I have no idea what the hell Mark Waid was thinking.
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Post by Icctrombone on Dec 5, 2014 18:06:15 GMT -5
But his reign was the death-knell for Marvel as a creative force in the industry. If i remember correctly, his reign produced The New X-men, Byrnes FF, Simonsons Thor, and Millers Daredevil. Far from a death Knell and more like a Juggernaut of a comic company. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Dec 5, 2014 18:12:12 GMT -5
I'll just echo what others have said about Plastic Man in JLA - seeing him molest Big Barda just helps remind me of why I don't touch anything DC puts out anymore. I have no idea what the hell Mark Waid was thinking. That's quite an interpretation of that scene. I think it's going kinda far to say molest. |
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Post by badwolf on Dec 5, 2014 18:16:39 GMT -5
I thought it was a funny gag; don't think too hard about it.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Dec 5, 2014 20:03:14 GMT -5
I'll just echo what others have said about Plastic Man in JLA - seeing him molest Big Barda just helps remind me of why I don't touch anything DC puts out anymore. I have no idea what the hell Mark Waid was thinking. That's quite an interpretation of that scene. I think it's going kinda far to say molest. Absolutely. Mark was just having Plastic Man pull an outrageous stunt, and I love Barda's reaction to it. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2014 20:09:57 GMT -5
I'll just echo what others have said about Plastic Man in JLA - seeing him molest Big Barda just helps remind me of why I don't touch anything DC puts out anymore. I have no idea what the hell Mark Waid was thinking. That's quite an interpretation of that scene. I think it's going kinda far to say molest. Molest might be strong. And I have no doubt they intended it just as a joke. But it is a little creepy. |
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Post by hondobrode on Dec 5, 2014 20:36:54 GMT -5
Giffen & Bierbaum's Legion of Super-Heroes  |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Dec 5, 2014 22:52:37 GMT -5
Giffen & Bierbaum's Legion of Super-Heroes I loved Jo's receding hairline in those days. Too bad that was reversed later on. |
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Post by hondobrode on Dec 5, 2014 22:58:08 GMT -5
I'd love it if DC did a volume 4-style LSH in the soon to be fully unveiled Megaverse, but at this point we're just lucky to have any LSH at all.
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Post by Pharozonk on Dec 6, 2014 0:01:38 GMT -5
Giffen & Bierbaum's Legion of Super-Heroes Agree to disagree on this.  |
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Post by hondobrode on Dec 6, 2014 0:14:36 GMT -5
That's funny cause I was just going through the "They've done WHAT to my characters" thread and saw that same pic you posted. Yeah, as it came out, I hated the first few issues, but later picked up the run trading with a friend that hated it and thought maybe with more time it got better, and boy am I glad I did. It's one of my favorite runs of anything ever. YMMV, and that's understandable. It's kind of an acquired taste, but it was bold and daring and wow did they do things with this. It felt epic and sci-fi and what the heck is going to happen. Nothing and no one was safe and they had obviously been through a horrible 5 years that we never got to see. Again, I wish someone would make a limited series showing what happened, but it'll never happen. Respectfully agreeing to disagree |
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Post by berkley on Dec 6, 2014 2:06:44 GMT -5
That's quite an interpretation of that scene. I think it's going kinda far to say molest. Molest might be strong. And I have no doubt they intended it just as a joke. But it is a little creepy. I'm sure you're right about their intentions, but I think it's more than just a little creepy. I'm not sure where the line is drawn where you start calling it molestation, but the dress wasn't just touching her arm or her back. And Barda's outraged reaction surely means that at some level the writer and artist knew that Plastic Man had stepped over some kind of bound - unless you think they meant her to be perceived by the reader as hysterically over-reacting to a harmless gag. Maybe I've become hypersensitised to this issue lately because of the Jian Gomeshi case here in Canada. Not that Plastic Man was using violence the way Gomeshi is accused of having done in his private life, but the "stunt" doesn't look all that different to some of the things Gomeshi's alleged to have done at the workplace, things that, if true, anyone would condemn. To quote a recent Guardian article by one former co-worker: "I was essentially forced to either leave the show or allow my boss to lay his hands on my body at his pleasure." (link: Jian Ghomeshi harassed me on the job. Why did our radio station look the other way? Kathryn Borel). I don't mean to keep harping on this, and I'm very much afraid that I sound like some preacher getting on his moral high horse, but that's the way I see it. |
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Post by Pól Rua on Dec 6, 2014 3:38:32 GMT -5
Like Capt. Marvel, I think Plas has no place in the DCU, and belongs on some other Earth. I sort of agree, but at the same time I liked how he was used in this series. He played an important part in defeating several foes and the perspective that he was potentially the most powerful of them all (because he'd spent millennia in pieces at the bottom of the sea without dying) was very interesting. Kyle Baker's 'Plastic Man' series was ridiculously good and won multiple Eisners, so of course it got axed. But like Captain Marvel, DC's never really had an idea of how to 'do' Plastic Man. They keep making him 'wacky' but the simple fact is that Cole's Plastic Man was a straight man in an insane, and frequently macabre world. The comic that comes closest to the Golden Age Plastic Man to me is Eric Powell's 'The Goon', weird, creepy amoral sidekick and all. |
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Post by Pharozonk on Dec 6, 2014 11:42:42 GMT -5
That's funny cause I was just going through the "They've done WHAT to my characters" thread and saw that same pic you posted. Yeah, as it came out, I hated the first few issues, That's interesting. I actually think the first 12 issues are the strongest and were the best written. Everything after that was a decline in my opinion. |
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Post by Cei-U! on Dec 6, 2014 12:13:44 GMT -5
I'm with Berk. Plas was in intimate physical contact with Barda's breasts and buttocks without her permission. That's beyond creepy, it's flat-out sexual assault.
Cei-U!
I summon the biiiiig no-no!
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