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Post by hondobrode on Aug 17, 2015 21:40:52 GMT -5
Fox has taken the hit and what's done is done. There's no putting the toothpaste back into the tube.
What do they do now ?
They stick it out and make it work.
If they go to a more action-paced traditional Marvel Studios-type movie, I think they can still make it work.
They've done well with the X-Men, and are going to crossover the FF with them.
I could even see them later adding Deadpool to the FF to play off of each other with the Fantastic Five, and Deadpool being the crazy loose cannon lunatic.
Even though I don't like the comics, I can see Deadpool is going to be a hit.
Leveraging that character, much like Fox did with Wolverine, it can help to raise the FF.
The properties are valuable and just need the right touch.
Is it easy ? No. Marvel itself hasn't had much luck making much out of the FF for the last 30 years, but, the raw goods exist, along with brand name recognition and potential.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2015 22:41:45 GMT -5
The FF/X-Men was just a rumor, not a done deal and the new rumor is that got taken off the table by the Fox suits as soon as the box office from the new movie was seen. They don't want to taint the X-Men franchise, which is a success, with the FF, which is not.
As for what is done is done, you also don't throw good money after bad. Three tires with the FF and all misses, why keep trying? What will make the next one different? The properties have no value if they can't turn a profit and hurt the public perception of your studio. There will be no sentiment attache dot the evaluation, just dollars and cents and in those terms, the FF is a dismal failure for Fox three times over. And the brand name and recognition is now with three terrible poorly received films. You won't see a forth for the next three years at least...there is no room on the Fox schedule once they removed the sequel from the slate for Deadpool. Earliest anything will be done with the FF by Fox now is 2018 and that's only if they can find someway to rehabilitate the brand in the mind of the public before then. The only value the property might have now is as a bargaining chip with Marvel.
Look, 2 Hellboy movies were made and were well received by not box office hits. The studio still has the rights, the filmmakers want to do it, but they can't get the financial backing and ok from the suits to do it. Why would Fox give a greenlight to another film when it did worse at the Box office and was poorly received? Right now the FF is not a valuable property to them, it is a money pit.
-M
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Post by dupersuper on Aug 18, 2015 7:04:49 GMT -5
Has ANYONE actually seen it? I did and thought the first half was pretty good until the battle with Doom in the other dimension. How could they screw up something that sounds as awesome as "battle with Doom in another dimension"? This is a rhetorical question: despite the reviews I'm sure I'll see this before long. |
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Post by hondobrode on Aug 18, 2015 8:51:00 GMT -5
You saw some action at least, but the plot kind of didn't make sense at that point.
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Post by coke & comics on Aug 18, 2015 22:19:34 GMT -5
Morbid curiosity got the better of me. I watched it. Reading lots of reviews to have expectations properly managed helps. It's not unwatchable. It bears only a superficial resemblance to FF, is at no point very good, and gets progressively duller as the movie wears on.
It begins as a decent enough B-grade young people bonding and having life drama while doing weird science kinda thing. Then they go to another dimension, and you are immediately impressed with just how bland this movie is. Then some of them are working with the government while Reed is on the run and you wonder where this plot is heading and why it's so uninteresting. And then they fight Doom. And it's the least climactic fight scene in superhero movies since the battle with Galactus.
All that said, I would cast Kate Mara as Invisible Woman in an actual FF movie gladly. This Dr. Doom still doesn't resemble Dr. Doom in pretty much any way, but was closer than the last one.
And this is in fact the best Fantastic Four movie ever.
In terms of Marvel films, I'm declaring this to be worse than Elektra and X-Men Origins Wolverine, but better than Blade Trinity, Generation X, Man-Thing, and all previous FF films.
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Post by coke & comics on Aug 18, 2015 22:21:56 GMT -5
I imagine Fox will be looking to do something similar to Sony, some type of deal where they retain rights, Marvel Studios makes the films to a split profit, and Marvel is allowed to use FF properties in their films.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2015 12:49:13 GMT -5
Watched this on the flight to holiday. It's maybe not as bad as I expected, but it's a poor film. The dialogue is mostly terrible, and as many have pointed out, the big fight at the end makes no sense at all and neither do some elements of the plot. If Sue is a pattern recognition genius, why is she in charge of making the environment suits? What does Johnny Storm actually do? He's brought into the project but there's no explanation of his role other than that he can weld.
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Post by Gene on Sept 6, 2015 17:08:58 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2015 9:36:47 GMT -5
Rumours on CBR today that Fox are trading F4 back to Marvel in exchange to (better?) rights to X-Men series on TV. I don't know if Marvel would want to make an F4 film after the last 3 duds, but it opens up Galactus, Silver Surfer, Annihilus etc for GotG3, for example |
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Post by The Captain on Oct 15, 2015 10:41:28 GMT -5
Rumours on CBR today that Fox are trading F4 back to Marvel in exchange to (better?) rights to X-Men series on TV. I don't know if Marvel would want to make an F4 film after the last 3 duds, but it opens up Galactus, Silver Surfer, Annihilus etc for GotG3, for example They want the ancillary characters, such as the ones you mention, as well as, I'm sure, DOOM. X-Men don't matter to Marvel any more. They realize they aren't getting them back, so they have the Inhumans and are promoting them over mutants, to the point that the Terrigen Mist is actually sterilizing mutants in current storyline. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2015 13:53:43 GMT -5
Fox has issued a statement categorically denying the rumors. Of course this confuses me, as Sony did the same thing with Spidey, so I am not sure whether I should expect an official announcement in a month or so or whether Fox and Perlmutter will continue to snarl at each other in perpetuity doing whatever they can to spite one another.
-M
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Post by Action Ace on Nov 24, 2015 20:09:26 GMT -5
Honest TrailerI agree, I'd prefer to see a film about the making of this movie than the movie itself.
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Post by Gene on Nov 24, 2015 23:34:04 GMT -5
The sequel has been officially dropped from Fox's schedule. I can't imagine too many of us being surprised by this. They have something like seven years to get another one in theaters, but I have to wonder how possible that is with how badly damaged this franchise is in the eyes of the public.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2015 8:43:29 GMT -5
Hard to see Fox flushing another $50-60m for the sake of keeping the FF rights. Given the disastrous showing of the latest film, I can't see it makes a lot of sense to go for an X-Men/FF crossover film either - might provoke nerdgasms amongst comic fans at the concept, but the general audience has seen 3 poor-to-terrible FF films and isn't likely to react very positively to adding those characters into X-Men.
Not sure what Marvel would do with the right it they had them back - supporting characters in other films, I suspect, maybe like Hulk and Black Widow, rather than headliners; they're just so toxic as a brand after the last 3 films, I think even applying the Marvel brand to them is going to leave a stand-along film as a hard sell.
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Post by The Captain on Nov 26, 2015 9:38:59 GMT -5
Hard to see Fox flushing another $50-60m for the sake of keeping the FF rights. Given the disastrous showing of the latest film, I can't see it makes a lot of sense to go for an X-Men/FF crossover film either - might provoke nerdgasms amongst comic fans at the concept, but the general audience has seen 3 poor-to-terrible FF films and isn't likely to react very positively to adding those characters into X-Men. Not sure what Marvel would do with the right it they had them back - supporting characters in other films, I suspect, maybe like Hulk and Black Widow, rather than headliners; they're just so toxic as a brand after the last 3 films, I think even applying the Marvel brand to them is going to leave a stand-along film as a hard sell. Marvel doesn't want to do a FF movie. They want certain characters, most likely Kang, Silver Surfer, and Doom. |
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