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Post by The Captain on Jun 6, 2015 18:50:22 GMT -5
In the latest interview with Axel Alonso at CBR, he basically confirmed that going forward Marvel will be publishing under an approach modeled after TV seasons. So this means every series will get restarted at #1 every year or two. I was talking with my buddy at the LCS on Friday about this, and while it's an OK concept, I'll bet Marvel screws up the execution. Look at the two most recent Iron Man series. Kieron Gillen wrote a pretty decent Tony, and while the revelation of him not being Howard's kid was completely out of nowhere, it was a nice little series. Then Axis happened, and after that, we got Superior Iron Man, which was a complete departure from what Gillen wrote, with almost no reference to the previous series (I only read the first four issues before becoming disgusted by it and giving up). My point is that TV series don't typically ignore every thing that came before them (and I'm not talking about series like American Horror Storythat have the same cast for the most part but are in completely different roles), and I'm worried that is what Marvel will do. Each writer will come in and do their own thing, and while that is OK, you can't ignore facts of the dreaded "continuity". If Gillen wrote that Tony is not Howard's kid, the next writer has two options: treat it as canon, or create a reasonable explanation as to why what Gillen wrote is wrong. However, they cannot just ignore that it was written, because that is now a fundamental facet of the Tony Stark character. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2015 22:56:58 GMT -5
In the latest interview with Axel Alonso at CBR, he basically confirmed that going forward Marvel will be publishing under an approach modeled after TV seasons. So this means every series will get restarted at #1 every year or two. I was talking with my buddy at the LCS on Friday about this, and while it's an OK concept, I'll bet Marvel screws up the execution. Look at the two most recent Iron Man series. Kieron Gillen wrote a pretty decent Tony, and while the revelation of him not being Howard's kid was completely out of nowhere, it was a nice little series. Then Axis happened, and after that, we got Superior Iron Man, which was a complete departure from what Gillen wrote, with almost no reference to the previous series (I only read the first four issues before becoming disgusted by it and giving up). My point is that TV series don't typically ignore every thing that came before them (and I'm not talking about series like American Horror Storythat have the same cast for the most part but are in completely different roles), and I'm worried that is what Marvel will do. Each writer will come in and do their own thing, and while that is OK, you can't ignore facts of the dreaded "continuity". If Gillen wrote that Tony is not Howard's kid, the next writer has two options: treat it as canon, or create a reasonable explanation as to why what Gillen wrote is wrong. However, they cannot just ignore that it was written, because that is now a fundamental facet of the Tony Stark character. One of the things Bendis has said he will be doing in his ruin is having Tony looking for his biological parents after the revelation from Gillen's run. And Bendis has said there is a lot of Gillen's run he will be building towards. Not perfect mind you, but I think it is what you were suggesting they do in your post. I think Superior was just what you said though, an aberration. -M |
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Post by The Captain on Jun 7, 2015 7:02:59 GMT -5
I was talking with my buddy at the LCS on Friday about this, and while it's an OK concept, I'll bet Marvel screws up the execution. Look at the two most recent Iron Man series. Kieron Gillen wrote a pretty decent Tony, and while the revelation of him not being Howard's kid was completely out of nowhere, it was a nice little series. Then Axis happened, and after that, we got Superior Iron Man, which was a complete departure from what Gillen wrote, with almost no reference to the previous series (I only read the first four issues before becoming disgusted by it and giving up). My point is that TV series don't typically ignore every thing that came before them (and I'm not talking about series like American Horror Storythat have the same cast for the most part but are in completely different roles), and I'm worried that is what Marvel will do. Each writer will come in and do their own thing, and while that is OK, you can't ignore facts of the dreaded "continuity". If Gillen wrote that Tony is not Howard's kid, the next writer has two options: treat it as canon, or create a reasonable explanation as to why what Gillen wrote is wrong. However, they cannot just ignore that it was written, because that is now a fundamental facet of the Tony Stark character. One of the things Bendis has said he will be doing in his ruin is having Tony looking for his biological parents after the revelation from Gillen's run. And Bendis has said there is a lot of Gillen's run he will be building towards. Not perfect mind you, but I think it is what you were suggesting they do in your post. I think Superior was just what you said though, an aberration. -M I hadn't read Bendis' comments, so that is definitely good news. It's one thing for a writer to put his own spin on it, but a entirely other thing if he essentially creates a separate reality that the character exists in. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jun 7, 2015 15:53:13 GMT -5
Yeah, after reading the interview, it sounds like the 'Superior' run is going to go down in history like the 'Iron Boy' post-Crossing era.
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Post by Honeystinger on Jun 11, 2015 20:08:09 GMT -5
I've never seen those type of timeskips work. It didn't work in X-men post Age of Apocalypse (which was a 3 month gap IIRC), it didn't work when Claremont returned (which was a 6 month gap? Not sure about the exact time) and it didn't work for DC recently (wait, 2006? eh... stil recently to me, shut up.) Because mostly you get either: a) You skip stuff and by the time you get around to tell the original story nobody cares anymore. b) You skip stuff and by the time you get around to tell the original story, it has become blindingly obvious what happened. c) You skip stuff and by the time you get around to tell the original story, you realize that the setup you started with was so illogical that you can't tell a decent story to explain the changes. One timeskip that worked for me was the Legion of Super-heroes' 5-year gap. DC had been publishing two LSH titles with different prices. They said the the higher-priced titles' stories would be reprinted in the cheaper version. I chose to save money and wait for the reprints; when they canceled the cheaper title, I felt too far behind to catch up. The 5-years-later Legion enabled me to get back on board: I was now on an equal footing with all the other readers who didn't know what had happened in the intervening years. I enjoyed watching DC fill in the gap. becoming disgusted by it and giving up). My point is that TV series don't typically ignore every thing that came before them (and I'm not talking about series like American Horror Storythat have the same cast for the most part but are in completely different roles), and I'm worried that is what Marvel will do. Each writer will come in and do their own thing, and while that is OK, you can't ignore facts of the dreaded "continuity". If Gillen wrote that Tony is not Howard's kid, the next writer has two options: treat it as canon, or create a reasonable explanation as to why what Gillen wrote is wrong. However, they cannot just ignore that it was written, because that is now a fundamental facet of the Tony Stark character. One of the things Bendis has said he will be doing in his ruin is having Tony looking for his biological parents after the revelation from Gillen's run. And Bendis has said there is a lot of Gillen's run he will be building towards. Not perfect mind you, but I think it is what you were suggesting they do in your post. I think Superior was just what you said though, an aberration. -M Can you say "parapraxis"?  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 1:36:09 GMT -5
I just noticed there's a Weirdworld reboot, but it has a "Secret Wars" graphic on the cover. Is this an in-continuity comic? Will there be super heroes in it?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 3:51:39 GMT -5
I just noticed there's a Weirdworld reboot, but it has a "Secret Wars" graphic on the cover. Is this an in-continuity comic? Will there be super heroes in it? It's a "sword and sorcery" style super-hero book with Arkon as the lead, nothing to do with Weird World by Moench and company. Simply using the name for one of the battleworlds or some such for Secret Wars. -M |
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Post by Dizzy D on Jun 25, 2015 4:14:41 GMT -5
For those interested the post-Secret Wars titles announced so far:
Invincible Iron Man with Brian Michael Bendis and David Marquez
Spider-Man with Brian Michael Bendis and Sara Pichelli
Doctor Strange with Jason Aaron and Chris Bachalo
Captain Marvel with Tara Butters and Michele Fazekas (both writers) and Kris Anka
Spider-Gwen with Jason Latour and Robbi Rodriguez
All-New, All-Different Avengers with Mark Waid and Mahmud Asrar and Adam Kubert (both artists)
Squadron Supreme with James Robinson and Leonard Kirk.
So far I'm interested in Strange and Captain Marvel.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 4:37:25 GMT -5
For those interested the post-Secret Wars titles announced so far: Invincible Iron Man with Brian Michael Bendis and David Marquez Spider-Man with Brian Michael Bendis and Sara Pichelli Doctor Strange with Jason Aaron and Chris Bachalo Captain Marvel with Tara Butters and Michele Fazekas (both writers) and Kris Anka Spider-Gwen with Jason Latour and Robbi Rodriguez All-New, All-Different Avengers with Mark Waid and Mahmud Asrar and Adam Kubert (both artists) Squadron Supreme with James Robinson and Leonard Kirk. So far I'm interested in Strange and Captain Marvel. Doc Strange is the only one I am interested enough in to consider getting off the racks so to speak. I may check out some of the others via Marvel Unlimited (Iron Man, Captain Marvel, maybe Avengers with Waid) when they become available. In the meantime, I have plenty of other interesting stuff to read sitting around the house, so no loss even if nothing else appeals to me. -M |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 25, 2015 5:24:26 GMT -5
We'll always have Paris. The new stuff doesn't make my collection disappear. I'd rather re-read my comics. I didn't buy any of the Nu52 because I felt it was too much work to learn an entire new universe. I'm getting the same tired feeling thinking about the total Marvel reboot.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jun 25, 2015 6:03:59 GMT -5
I'll definitely be getting Iron Man and Dr.Strange.... maybe Waid's Avengers.
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Post by The Captain on Jun 25, 2015 6:28:44 GMT -5
I'll definitely be getting Iron Man and Dr.Strange.... maybe Waid's Avengers. Those are the exact same books I'm leaning towards getting. I'm sure there will be a Captain America book announced at some point, and that will pretty much be about it for me. |
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Post by dupersuper on Jun 25, 2015 19:42:38 GMT -5
The link in the OP seems to have gone bye-bye...
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Post by Dizzy D on Jun 26, 2015 6:49:49 GMT -5
Updates list:
Invincible Iron Man with Brian Michael Bendis and David Marquez
Spider-Man with Brian Michael Bendis and Sara Pichelli
Doctor Strange with Jason Aaron and Chris Bachalo
Captain Marvel with Tara Butters and Michele Fazekas (both writers) and Kris Anka
Spider-Gwen with Jason Latour and Robbi Rodriguez
All-New, All-Different Avengers with Mark Waid and Mahmud Asrar and Adam Kubert (both artists)
Squadron Supreme with James Robinson and Leonard Kirk.
The Totally Awesome Hulk by Greg Pak and Frank Cho
A-Force by G. Willow Wilson with artist unknown for the moment.
I like Pak, but I have never been a big Hulk fan. might give A-Force a shot though.
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Post by Nowhere Man on Jun 26, 2015 7:49:49 GMT -5
The Hulk's my favorite Marvel character but...that title. So the new Hulk is either Wayne or Garth, I take it? I did like Pak's Planet Hulk and some of the stuff he did after that. I'll cautiously wait and see how this turns out.
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