did anyone read through glamourpuss? - i read a couple of issues and quite enjoyed it - i wasn't entirely sure what the point of it was but there was lots of very interesting stuff about classic inking techniques amidst beautifully drawn but kind of pointless reworkings of glamour ads where the women were crossed eyed bimbos. the material on illustration though was really first class. a strange unusual comic which is no bad thing in itself it was just difficult to see where it was going to go after a few issues.
I read an issue here and there, and hoped to pick up the whole thing when it was collected. The whole thing, I believe, was a love letter to artists he loves like Alex Raymond and Al Williamson, and an attempt to experiment in artistic styles that Sim was not known for.
The one post-Cerebus book that eveyone should read is Judenhass. It's a powerful work that's been all but ignored.
I got a free issue of Glamourpuss in the mail when I bought a sketch off him. My first reaction was "What the hell is this?" and my second was "I can't believe this has ran for so many issues!"
I am totally willing to discuss Cerebus. Though I am only through Church & State, I may be doing more reading and observing than posting. This thread might get me going in buying more volumes again but if I do if probably read what I have again since it's been two years or so since I've read them.
As far as Sim himself I could give two ____ about what he thinks. If his beliefs are in his work, then it's a matter of coincidence and a part of the story. I am interested more in Cerebus, Astoria, etc than Sim himself. Everyone's entitled to their beliefs and opinions. I don't have a problem recognizing them as two different entities. I don't think disagreeing with someone's beliefs somehow invalidates their artistic accomplishments.
And I agree with Gerhard's contfibutions. The artwork went from 5 year old with crayons to absolutely ____ing beautiful.
Sim's characters might be one of the best angles from which to discuss Sim, because even though he made certain characters to expouse his beliefs, they're not limited to giving speeches about What the Author Thinks.
For instance, Sim's take on Jaka evolves over time. She was a favorite with Cerebus-fans for many years, and though Sim puts her through the wringer in the late volumes, there is a sense that her character keeps a certain "je ne sais quoi" despite the author's conscious concerns.
did anyone read through glamourpuss? - i read a couple of issues and quite enjoyed it - i wasn't entirely sure what the point of it was but there was lots of very interesting stuff about classic inking techniques amidst beautifully drawn but kind of pointless reworkings of glamour ads where the women were crossed eyed bimbos. the material on illustration though was really first class. a strange unusual comic which is no bad thing in itself it was just difficult to see where it was going to go after a few issues.
I read an issue here and there, and hoped to pick up the whole thing when it was collected. The whole thing, I believe, was a love letter to artists he loves like Alex Raymond and Al Williamson, and an attempt to experiment in artistic styles that Sim was not known for.
The one post-Cerebus book that eveyone should read is Judenhass. It's a powerful work that's been all but ignored.
GLAMOURPUSS is another aspect of Sim that I've wanted to discuss. Each issue is half devoted to the history of what he calls "photorealistic drawing" and all the styles that evolved in comics before and after it. It's a mind-blowing history of comics art, and Sim's occasional personal asides add a little spice, as long as one takes them with a large grain of salt too. (Mmmmm-- salt and spice...)
Unfortunately, the other half of each issue are the thunderingly-unfunny spoofs on fashion magazines, sometimes with a few jokes directed at comics icons. For instance, one model calls herself "Miss A," and a comics journalist has to try to find out if she's making any references to Ditko's Mr. A. I wince every time I look at one of these spoofs.
I got a free issue of Glamourpuss in the mail when I bought a sketch off him. My first reaction was "What the hell is this?" and my second was "I can't believe this has ran for so many issues!"
I really didn't get it at all.
I'll hypothesize that Sim kept it going as a labor of love until the numbers got so low that Diamond wouldn't carry it any more.
Sim's characters might be one of the best angles from which to discuss Sim, because even though he made certain characters to expouse his beliefs, they're not limited to giving speeches about What the Author Thinks.
For instance, Sim's take on Jaka evolves over time. She was a favorite with Cerebus-fans for many years, and though Sim puts her through the wringer in the late volumes, there is a sense that her character keeps a certain "je ne sais quoi" despite the author's conscious concerns.
And that's why I read fiction and not the authors biography. I know nothing of Dan Abnett, Andy Lanning, Jack London, Jim Starlin, Bruno Fischer, or Thomas Harris, all of whose fiction I enjoy reading. Whether or not these writers put any of themselves into these characters I'll never know. Even Charles Bukowski or Henry Miller who wrote embellished accounts of their lives, I've never tried to seek out the true account of their lives, as the writing is embellished for a reason and the truth of many writers lives are depressing.
It is good to hear that Jaka is a mainstay throughout the story. I've liked her from the get go and interested to read what Sim does with her and Cerebus' relationship.
Bettie Mae Page -- April 23, 1923 - December 11, 2008 Prince Rogers Nelson -- June 7, 1958 - April 21, 2016 “We’re all going to die, all of us, what a circus! That alone should make us love each other but it doesn’t. We are terrorized and flattened by trivialities, we are eaten up by nothing." -- Charles Bukowski
"It is wrong to assume that art needs the spectator in order to be. The film runs on without any eyes. The spectator cannot exist without it. It ensures his existence." -- James Douglas Morrison
And that's why I read fiction and not the authors biography. I know nothing of Dan Abnett, Andy Lanning, Jack London, Jim Starlin, Bruno Fischer, or Thomas Harris, all of whose fiction I enjoy reading. Whether or not these writers put any of themselves into these characters I'll never know. Even Charles Bukowski or Henry Miller who wrote embellished accounts of their lives, I've never tried to seek out the true account of their lives, as the writing is embellished for a reason and the truth of many writers lives are depressing.
Whereas I figure that if a writer is interesting enough to read, & especially to read repeatedly, he or she is almost certainly interesting enough to read about.
My two favorite authors, Philip K. Dick & H.P. Lovecraft, were pretty much wrecks, but they're no less (& are quite possibly more) fascinating because of it. I'm sure it's entirely possible to appreciate their ouevres without knowing that background, but other than a preference for ignorance (in the sense of lack of knowledge, I hasten to add, rather than outright stupidity) why on earth would one want to avoid that deepened perspective?
Whereas I figure that if a writer is interesting enough to read, & especially to read repeatedly, he or she is almost certainly interesting enough to read about.
My two favorite authors, Philip K. Dick & H.P. Lovecraft, were pretty much wrecks, but they're no less (& are quite possibly more) fascinating because of it. I'm sure it's entirely possible to appreciate their ouevres without knowing that background, but other than a preference for ignorance (in the sense of lack of knowledge, I hasten to add, rather than outright stupidity) why on earth would one want to avoid that deepened perspective?
Honestly? Because of the things I hear about Sim or Card or Polanski and I'm not actively seeking out that information. What if I read Starlin beat his wife and kids? Would that alter my view of his work? To some extent yeah. Warlock would still be the best character under his writing but in the back of my mind it would be there. While reading Bulowski for the first time, against my better judgement I watched Born Into This. (I hadn't read Ham on Rye yet.) His father was abusive to him and his mother. He beat His son on a daily basis.
I know people do bad things and bad things happen to good people but I have enough of that thrown in my face without looking for it. Fiction is an escape. And in most fiction it all works out. Some it doesn't. But you still know it's fiction. Even as I mentioned in the case of fiction being accounts of writer's lives. I've only read Ham on Rye once. It depressing and horrible what his father did to him. But if I hadn't watched that documentary of an interview with him and didn't hear it from his mouth; that book was still fiction. I guess in my case Dan I don't mind being ignorant of the things I already know man are capable of.
Bettie Mae Page -- April 23, 1923 - December 11, 2008 Prince Rogers Nelson -- June 7, 1958 - April 21, 2016 “We’re all going to die, all of us, what a circus! That alone should make us love each other but it doesn’t. We are terrorized and flattened by trivialities, we are eaten up by nothing." -- Charles Bukowski
For me, I guess, part of it is that I have no interest in reading anything by people whose beliefs I find generally abhorrent (Sim, Card & Frank Miller, for instance), so I couldn't care less about how they got that way. Lovecraft is an obvious exception, considering his racist beliefs (though at least he never sent money to the Klan or the like, which is pretty much the equivalent of what Card has done & what the people who buy his stuff helped make sure, however inadvertantly, that he was in a position to do ... of course, HPL was too impoverished to ever have considered such a thing, anyway), but then there are always exceptions.
As for the truth being depressing, it almost always is, whether it involves a creator's life or not. You've mentioned, IIRC, your own religiously restricted upbringing -- sounds depressing to me, but also fascinating. And I've mentioned my own ridiculously straight-outta-Faulkner background as well -- manic-depressive, ultimately institutionalized mother, PTSD-afflicted father who died at 34, Down syndrome sister, etc. ... also depressing, but (I venture to say) offbeat enough to, I hope, be interesting, at least for fans of Southern gothic.
To me, people's lives tend to be intriguing, assuming they didn't grow up in a purely Leave It to Beaver setting ... & I suspect hardly anyone ever did, once one looks beneath the surface.
Again, though, we're all different, & so of course are our interests. My academic training is as a historian, my professional experience as a journalist, so I'm almost certainly more inclined to be interested in real life (for lack of a better term) than a lot of others, I suppose.
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Dave Sim doesn't have an email account and still communicates via fax? That's ridiculous.
But it was super cool that he sold sketch commissions on eBay. I wish more creators were willing to do that. We don't all go to cons, and the cost of attending SDCC could pay for four nice commissions anyway. And that's the local cost for someone who could drive home every night if he had to. For you out of towers that have to book flights and a room and take a taxi everywhere, make that eight to ten commissions.