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Post by badwolf on Jul 7, 2017 8:20:27 GMT -5
I remember disliking the Mark Waid Unthinkable story where he kills his childhood love for witchcraft purposes and places Reeds son in hell. I felt he lost all his nobility in that story. Waid's goal was to show that Doom wasn't honorable at all, and I can see his point. We all love the idea of an "honorable villain" but the truth is he only was when it suited him. I don't like that he turned on Valeria, but otherwise I really like this story. However, I did not like the later one where Reed decides to invade Latveria and reveals that Doom has hidden torture chambers all over and is basically Hitler. While I don't have to believe Doom is honorable where his vendetta against Reed and the FF is concerned, I did like to think that he truly cared about his own country and people. |
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Post by badwolf on Jul 7, 2017 8:24:47 GMT -5
I had to go with "Terror in a Tiny Town." One of my favorite issues of all time. The "Twilight Zone" atmosphere of the first act, leading to what I feel is one of the greatest reveals of all time...  ...still gives me chills even though I've read it countless times. |
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Post by shaxper on Jul 7, 2017 8:25:45 GMT -5
I remember disliking the Mark Waid Unthinkable story where he kills his childhood love for witchcraft purposes and places Reeds son in hell. I felt he lost all his nobility in that story. Waid's goal was to show that Doom wasn't honorable at all, and I can see his point. We all love the idea of an "honorable villain" but the truth is he only was when it suited him. I don't like that he turned on Valeria, but otherwise I really like this story. Why are we such suckers for "honorable" villains? Fascinating to consider, really. |
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Post by badwolf on Jul 7, 2017 8:27:49 GMT -5
Waid's goal was to show that Doom wasn't honorable at all, and I can see his point. We all love the idea of an "honorable villain" but the truth is he only was when it suited him. I don't like that he turned on Valeria, but otherwise I really like this story. Why are we such suckers for "honorable" villains? Fascinating to consider, really. The idealist in us? Maybe we want to see something good in them? Also it adds another layer to the character, and makes them different from your average petty crook. |
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Post by berkley on Jul 7, 2017 9:14:21 GMT -5
I voted other, but there are three candidates: in addition to the Kirby/Lee story in FF 84-87 and the Gene Colan + Gerry Conway Astonishing Tales #8, which have already been mentioned, I would add the Doom stories with artwork by Wally Wood in the earlier issues of Astonishing Tales.
I just checked and I think it's AT #1 - 3, written by Roy Thomas. Looks like Wood is still doing the art in AT#4 but it's the start of a new story featuring Doom vs the Red Skull, written by Larry Leiber; I don't remember this one but I'm sure it's worth a look for the Wally Wood art, just as I'm sure the other Conway/Colan Doom story in AT#7 must be worth a look for the Gene Colan art. All those early issues of Astonishing Tales are worth picking up, with people like Barry Windsor-Smith on Ka-Zar. Also Amazing Adventures, with Kirby, and later Neal Adams, on the Inhumans, etc
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jul 7, 2017 9:14:24 GMT -5
Holy crap the computer colorization on those is awful. Colan is an artist who always looks better in black & white. But the new coloring does him zero justice at all. Looks like the original coloring to me. It's just printed on white paper. Hmmm...maybe.  |
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Post by berkley on Jul 7, 2017 9:18:04 GMT -5
Whatever it is, the art looks a million times better on the old pulp paper, Colan's wasn't well-served by the brighter colours, whether they're due to the paper, the priniting process, or actual re-colouring. I find reprints like the MArvel Masterworks nearly unreadable for this very reason.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jul 7, 2017 10:12:15 GMT -5
I know it's total sacrilege, but I loved Doom's insanely unbridled lust for power in Secret Wars. When the God-like Beyonder shows up, most rational folks' instinct would be to cower or (if you're truly heroic) concoct a plan to fight back. Doom is just so thoroughly Doom in his first instinct being to steal that power. His greatest asset is truly his sheer audacity. In what turned out to be a mediocre storyline full of pointless battles and silly motives, Doom stealing the Beyonder's power was one of the most WOAH!!! moments I came across in comics. What an awesome character moment! |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jul 7, 2017 10:15:31 GMT -5
My vote is for What if Doctor Doom had become a hero? From What if..? #22. Despite not being a "real" story, this one really shows us who Doom is, what makes him tick, and how he is neither an absolute villain nor a hero in bad guy's clothing. |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jul 7, 2017 10:45:40 GMT -5
My vote is for What if Doctor Doom had become a hero? From What if..? #22. Despite not being a "real" story, this one really shows us who Doom is, what makes him tick, and how he is neither an absolute villain nor a hero in bad guy's clothing. That would probably be my second choice. |
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Post by coke & comics on Jul 7, 2017 16:07:21 GMT -5
Dr. Doom. Arguably, the best villain in comics history, No arguments. He just is. |
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Post by coke & comics on Jul 7, 2017 16:10:11 GMT -5
My vote is for the two-part story from Super-Villain Team-Up #14 and Champions #16. Dr. Doom succeeded in conquering the world. And only Magneto is left to oppose him.  |
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Post by coke & comics on Jul 7, 2017 16:11:31 GMT -5
I dug out my old top 10 from when Brian did a Dr. Doom poll. This was some years ago. Not sure if it's exactly the list I'd come up with today, but probably close.
1. Doom vs. Magneto, from Super-Villain Team-Up #14, Champions #16
2. Dr. Strange/Dr. Doom, Triumph and Torment
3. Doom Surfer, from Fantastic Four #57-60
4. Though some call it magic, from Astonishing Tales #8
5. Origin of Dr. Doom and Final Victory of Dr. Doom, From Fantastic Four annual 2
6. The one where Rage hits Doom in the face with a cupcake, from Avengers #332-333
7. One Nation Under Doom, from Doom 2099 #28-35
8. Doom #1-3 (2000 miniseries by Dixon/Manco)
9. This land is mine, from Fantastic Four #246-247
10. Revolution, from Astonishing Tales #1-3
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Post by coke & comics on Jul 7, 2017 16:25:07 GMT -5
Not sure about THE worst, but I actually really dislike Fantastic Four #5. Everything I like about Dr. Doom came much later than that.
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Post by fred2 on Jul 7, 2017 16:28:29 GMT -5
Another good doom storyis in avengers 156? the avengers face off against attuma and tyrak. submariner is in the mix. wonderman has returned from dead and Dr doom helps avengers fight attuma albeit for his own reasons. this story was epic with a big cast and many layers of plots.
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