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Post by rberman on Jun 28, 2024 8:37:09 GMT -5
Absolutely. It just doesn't work for a book people are putting out monthly if you only get two or three issues before a fill in. Do the fine work for a GN or limited series. Or you know maybe find a publishing model that lets your creators do their best stuff and doesn't foist lesser quality products on your consumers because of an arbitrary deadline. Monthly periodicals with their incumbent deadlines and need for fill ins (or in the past inventory stories and reprints as well) are a vestige of an old market reality that is no longer true, and is only kept around as a vestige of nostalgia. It is an obstacle to growing the audience, an obstacle for creators to produce their best stuff, and a hindrance to the medium evolving and becoming all it can be. It's had its time, but its time is done and the powers that be in comic publishing need to read the writing on the wall and realize that. The future of comics and the growth market for comics lies in other formats and other publishing models. Yup. I haven't bought a monthly comic in almost forty years. That format was designed to be disposable. I do wonder about Italian creators. They put out a 100 page comic every month. How do they do it? |
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Post by shaxper on Jun 29, 2024 8:42:07 GMT -5
Read that title too quickly and thought Conan had gotten more humble...  |
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Post by Confessor on Jun 30, 2024 16:11:36 GMT -5
Saw this on Facebook earlier -- "Ditko hands". You really need to see a doctor about that.  |
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Post by Ricky Jackson on Jul 3, 2024 13:15:07 GMT -5
Finally got around to reading the famed Captain Marvel Monster Society of Evil serial from the 40s. Holy crap is it racist. I know this was the 40s, and I knew racism was the reason that DC canceled a reprint volume years ago, but still...holy crap is it racist
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 3, 2024 14:54:26 GMT -5
Finally got around to reading the famed Captain Marvel Monster Society of Evil serial from the 40s. Holy crap is it racist. I know this was the 40s, and I knew racism was the reason that DC canceled a reprint volume years ago, but still...holy crap is it racist Read The Young Allies sometime. Really, if you look at a wide range of comic books and newspaper strips of the 30s and 40s, and even into the 50s and 60s, you will find plenty to offend. |
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Post by Ricky Jackson on Jul 3, 2024 16:28:46 GMT -5
Well, of course. I'm no stranger to the old strips and comics. I was mostly stunned by Captain Marvel sounding like Archie Bunker
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 3, 2024 19:01:34 GMT -5
Well, of course. I'm no stranger to the old strips and comics. I was mostly stunned by Captain Marvel sounding like Archie Bunker Now I really want to read it … |
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Post by commond on Jul 7, 2024 18:22:11 GMT -5
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jul 7, 2024 19:03:10 GMT -5
Interesting, but sadly not in a good way. I must say Neil's defence isn't anything to write home about... even if the assault part is bogus, "consensual cuddling" in the bathtub with one's kid's nanny sounds pretty creepy. Especially with a girl one third one's age. I am so grateful for my utterly uninteresting and ordinary love life. |
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 7, 2024 20:34:29 GMT -5
Yikes! Man, that is going to color his work for me, from now on. As said, consensual or not, the bathtub thing is just creepy behavior.
I sometimes wonder if these people were like this before the fame, or did a certain level of fame and money make them think they were untouchable and lost all inhibition and sense of decency?
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Post by tartanphantom on Jul 7, 2024 22:42:43 GMT -5
...and all the rest of us are pure as the driven snow.
I think not.
Good Grief. Let the public opinion dog-piling begin... without knowing the specifics of the cases.
Please note that this is not aimed specifically at commond , Roquefort Raider or codystarbuck -- you are all entitled to your personal opinions, like anyone else. My gripe is primarily about the ensuing social media wildfires that surround such events-- often with clear intent to target or damage someone prior letting the legal process play out. We've seen it happen over and over in the last 10-15 years, and it's flat out ridiculous. I'm not here to defend Gaiman or anybody else, but let anyone here who is directly connected to the situation and knows the intimate details of the formal charges (if any have been made), including the specific legal filings, please raise their hand and their legal opinion will be validated. If you're going to take a posturing opinion based on speculation of the limited details, which may or may not include hearsay, I suppose that's your prerogative, but it really doesn't offer the moral high horse you might think. I'm sick of lynch mobs in the public discourse which devolves into character assassination based on supposed moral high ground of the mob. Anybody can file complaints or charges against anyone, including people who are incredibly quick to judge based on one "news" story. Rightly or wrongly accused, the man still deserves his day in court. Let it happen before you immediately cast him to the 9th level of Hell.
It probably doesn't make any difference, but I've never been a Gaiman fan at all... however, that doesn't mean I want him to burn based on a situation that may or may not be credible. In this situation, if Gaiman is found liable in a civil case, then the legal system will handle it accordingly. Likewise if he is found guilty in a criminal case.
Sorry, for the rant, but if any of YOU were accused in such a scenario, I wouldn't immediately "unfriend" you... I'd let the legal process take its course long before I would decide to get up on my personal judge's bench and morally sentence you based on something you may have done.
There are no living saints... can we please quit pretending that people who's work we may admire are in some way infallible? -- everyone has a skeleton in their closet.
Who is going to be the first to condemn the works of Martin Luther King Jr. in their entirety simply because it was known that he had multiple extra-marital relationships? Certainly not me. The lens of public condemnation is tinted only by what we know, not by what we don't know.
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Post by Confessor on Jul 8, 2024 9:20:51 GMT -5
Yeah, I saw this on Reddit a couple of days ago. An awful lot of Redditors in various comic-related sub-reddits were saying that Gaiman's predatory nature has been an open secret in comic fandom circles for a while now, apparently. Take that with a pinch of salt, of course, but The Tortoise podcast have a pretty impeccable track record for investigations thus far. As others have said, it's just downright weird that he seduced a much younger woman (he was 61 and she was 22), who had come to babysit his children, on her first day at work! I mean, she alleges that the subsequent three-week relationship involved non-consensual rough and abusive sex, while he says it was just consensual "cuddling" and "making out". Frankly, that is a really weird thing for Gaiman to admit to. It was the girl's first day at work and he thought that was OK, as her boss, to have a bit of a kiss and a cuddle with her? Even if he thought it was consensual, that smacks of coercive, predatory behaviour and was almost certainly exploitative from a "power dynamic" point of view. ...and all the rest of us are pure as the driven snow.
I think not.
Good Grief. Let the public opinion dog-piling begin... without knowing the specifics of the cases. Ah, but we're not commenting on the case or saying he must be guilty and engaging in a witch hunt, are we? We're just commenting on the specifics of the news report...including Gaman's own comments within it, which sound creepy and dodgy as all hell. That alone is fair grounds for speculation, I'd say. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 8, 2024 9:37:18 GMT -5
Two consenting adults. Yeah, it's weird but nothing illegal, as far as I know.
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Post by Confessor on Jul 8, 2024 10:07:48 GMT -5
Two consenting adults. Yeah, it's weird but nothing illegal, as far as I know. True...but only "if" it was consensual. That's kinda the point: that's exactly what these two women are claiming it wasn't. |
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 8, 2024 10:16:29 GMT -5
Can you be consenting when you are in a subordinate position within the workplace? The woman was Gaiman's employee and he had authority over her. He was also nearly 40 years her senior, which adds a further level of authority.
I have been in management and leadership positions for over 35 years. This kind of relationship was forbidden in every organization in which I have been a part, specifically because it is an abuse of trust and authority.
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