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Post by wildfire2099 on Feb 12, 2021 21:46:52 GMT -5
I definitely read in more than one place that people would LIKE it to be a reference to Ben Grimm... are there any other aerospace engineers in the MCU that they might be talking about? Suzi Endo popped into my head for some reason, but that would be super random.
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Post by Randle-El on Feb 12, 2021 22:57:03 GMT -5
I'm going to go out on a limb here... perhaps the aerospace engineer friend is Reed Richards? It would make sense if they are setting up the FF mission to space. I doubt it but I'd be thrilled if they went that route. I just don't see Reed as being primarily known for aerospace research. Maybe Ben Grimm?
I don't think it's a stretch (no pun intended  ) to cast Reed Richards as an aerospace engineer. To movie and TV writers, all science and engineering is the same. They regularly write characters that are said to have expertise in a particular field, but after while they turn out to be a genius at everything remotely scientific. It's like they use "engineer" or "-ologist" as a stand-in for "really really smart guy that can invent any tech, cure any disease, or hack any network the show requires". In the MCU, Bruce Banner has dabbled in physics, biochemistry, artificial intelligence, robotics, and medicine. Tony Stark was initially a genius engineer, but then invents a new element and solves time travel. So yeah, at this point I'd say casting Reed Richards as an aerospace engineer doesn't limit his capabilities at all. |
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Post by The Captain on Feb 13, 2021 7:55:26 GMT -5
I'd mentioned Reed Richards last night as the potential "aerospace engineer" that Monica referenced. Just the line itself sets people abuzz, as we're all trying to figure it out (one of my pet theories got completely blown up in the current episode, so I'm back to the drawing board), and this gives Disney/Marvel time to identify the best way to have it pay off, if they ever do (which, let's face it, they will, because that is what keeps the $$ rolling in). I agree with Randle-El that this could be just the "generic smart guy" tag. I mean, Reed has to do SOMETHING for a living, so why not make him an aerospace engineer? There's nothing to say that the MCU version of Reed has to be the smartest guy in the world, but they do, if they want to keep him close enough to the comics origin, have to give him a reason to go into space. Furthermore, just look at Darcy. In Thor, she's introduced as a political science major that took the internship with Jane Foster for the college credits, yet now she not only has a doctorate in astrophysics who is recruited for a top-secret government mission, she is also is a top-grade computer hacker who can easily get into S.W.O.R.D.'s network and files. There's a lot of "she's really smart, so she can do pretty much anything" right there, so why couldn't they just do the same thing with Reed? |
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Post by shaxper on Feb 13, 2021 10:56:39 GMT -5
Furthermore, just look at Darcy. In Thor, she's introduced as a political science major that took the internship with Jane Foster for the college credits, yet now she not only has a doctorate in astrophysics who is recruited for a top-secret government mission, she is also is a top-grade computer hacker who can easily get into S.W.O.R.D.'s network and files. There's a lot of "she's really smart, so she can do pretty much anything" right there, so why couldn't they just do the same thing with Reed? With Darcy, I'd just assumed her experiences in the Thor films drew her to her current career path. She was a young intern then. People change. With Reed, if his focus is aerospace engineering, it just seems to limit him. Not exactly a field of research that's going to be useful in many FF adventures. So much of the fun of the FF is the insane crap Reed was inventing on a daily basis, but how many jets are they going to need? |
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Post by Randle-El on Feb 13, 2021 11:49:02 GMT -5
Furthermore, just look at Darcy. In Thor, she's introduced as a political science major that took the internship with Jane Foster for the college credits, yet now she not only has a doctorate in astrophysics who is recruited for a top-secret government mission, she is also is a top-grade computer hacker who can easily get into S.W.O.R.D.'s network and files. There's a lot of "she's really smart, so she can do pretty much anything" right there, so why couldn't they just do the same thing with Reed? With Darcy, I'd just assumed her experiences in the Thor films drew her to her current career path. She was a young intern then. People change. With Reed, if his focus is aerospace engineering, it just seems to limit him. Not exactly a field of research that's going to be useful in many FF adventures. So much of the fun of the FF is the insane crap Reed was inventing on a daily basis, but how many jets are they going to need?
They never said he was *only* an aerospace engineer. If he's a scientific polymath, it's possible that AE is merely his current paying gig, or one of several hats he wears. Maybe he's like Bo Jackson and switches to a different field in the off-season. If they need him to be something else later on, they can just wave their hands and say "he can science real good!"
As an aside... as someone with a sci/tech background, I've always found it slightly annoying/amusing when TV and film writers conflate disciplines, or make being good at science another super-power. It leads to too many lazy endings where they just have the resident genius whip up a tech solution to solve whatever problem they are facing. I think it can also trivialize the hard work that goes into real science and engineering.
I also think it's annoying when people assume that just because I studied engineering in college that I know why your refrigerator is not working, but that's another story...
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Post by spoon on Feb 13, 2021 15:12:53 GMT -5
Furthermore, just look at Darcy. In Thor, she's introduced as a political science major that took the internship with Jane Foster for the college credits, yet now she not only has a doctorate in astrophysics who is recruited for a top-secret government mission, she is also is a top-grade computer hacker who can easily get into S.W.O.R.D.'s network and files. There's a lot of "she's really smart, so she can do pretty much anything" right there, so why couldn't they just do the same thing with Reed? The computer hacking seems to be out of her field. But I like how the snap & 5 year gap, which can be an impediment to storytelling in other ways, can be helpful for things like Darcy's story. The time from Dark World to Infinity War plus the 5 year gap leaves a lot of time for someone to change their career path. Add the effect of the snap in rearranging how many people are in various fields, sprinkly in a little bit of comic book suspension of disbelief, and I can roll with it. |
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Post by The Captain on Feb 13, 2021 17:46:44 GMT -5
Furthermore, just look at Darcy. In Thor, she's introduced as a political science major that took the internship with Jane Foster for the college credits, yet now she not only has a doctorate in astrophysics who is recruited for a top-secret government mission, she is also is a top-grade computer hacker who can easily get into S.W.O.R.D.'s network and files. There's a lot of "she's really smart, so she can do pretty much anything" right there, so why couldn't they just do the same thing with Reed? The computer hacking seems to be out of her field. But I like how the snap & 5 year gap, which can be an impediment to storytelling in other ways, can be helpful for things like Darcy's story. The time from Dark World to Infinity War plus the 5 year gap leaves a lot of time for someone to change their career path. Add the effect of the snap in rearranging how many people are in various fields, sprinkly in a little bit of comic book suspension of disbelief, and I can roll with it. It's not a terrible thing, but PoliSci and Astrophysics are two VERY different fields. I find it hard to believe that someone, even a person like Darcy who experienced what she did in the Thor films, would suddenly jump into a highly scientific field like astrophysics from a liberal arts field like political science, let alone have the interest in it to not only get an undergrad, but also a Masters AND a doctorate in such a short (even with the Snap and 5-year jump) period of time. At the end of the day, it doesn't impact my enjoyment of the show negatively, but it does seem a little forced to facilitate shoehorning a popular supporting character into the happenings rather than create a whole new character from scratch. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Feb 13, 2021 23:17:06 GMT -5
Comics have a long history of smart people being an expert in every field.. we've discussed it before in these very forums... I don't have a problem with it.. Darcy is a fun character and I'm happy to have her back. They went heavy of the Hell references this episode... seems like they really want us to think Mephisto, but... too obvious? My new overly complex but in true comic fashion theory? Pietro is Loki, who THINKS he made a good deal with Mephisto to get the upper hand be will get screwed in the end, which gives a good excuse for him to be an anti-hero when the Loki show comes out. |
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Post by Randle-El on Feb 14, 2021 23:21:45 GMT -5
The computer hacking seems to be out of her field. But I like how the snap & 5 year gap, which can be an impediment to storytelling in other ways, can be helpful for things like Darcy's story. The time from Dark World to Infinity War plus the 5 year gap leaves a lot of time for someone to change their career path. Add the effect of the snap in rearranging how many people are in various fields, sprinkly in a little bit of comic book suspension of disbelief, and I can roll with it. It's not a terrible thing, but PoliSci and Astrophysics are two VERY different fields. I find it hard to believe that someone, even a person like Darcy who experienced what she did in the Thor films, would suddenly jump into a highly scientific field like astrophysics from a liberal arts field like political science, let alone have the interest in it to not only get an undergrad, but also a Masters AND a doctorate in such a short (even with the Snap and 5-year jump) period of time. At the end of the day, it doesn't impact my enjoyment of the show negatively, but it does seem a little forced to facilitate shoehorning a popular supporting character into the happenings rather than create a whole new character from scratch.
I know someone who graduated from undergrad as an English major at a liberal arts college who decided several years after college that she wanted to be a physicist. She ended up taking some classes, going back to school and now has a PhD in physics. I don't remember the exact time frame, but I want to say it took less than 12 years, which is about the same amount of time from Thor: The Dark World to Wandavision. I know quite a few science and engineering PhDs who completed their post-HS educations in 10-12 years (4 years undergrad + 2 years M.S. + 4-6 years PhD). One of my professors in college received undergrad, M.S., and PhDs in computer science in a total about 8-9 years.
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Post by The Captain on Feb 15, 2021 10:15:18 GMT -5
It's not a terrible thing, but PoliSci and Astrophysics are two VERY different fields. I find it hard to believe that someone, even a person like Darcy who experienced what she did in the Thor films, would suddenly jump into a highly scientific field like astrophysics from a liberal arts field like political science, let alone have the interest in it to not only get an undergrad, but also a Masters AND a doctorate in such a short (even with the Snap and 5-year jump) period of time. At the end of the day, it doesn't impact my enjoyment of the show negatively, but it does seem a little forced to facilitate shoehorning a popular supporting character into the happenings rather than create a whole new character from scratch.
I know someone who graduated from undergrad as an English major at a liberal arts college who decided several years after college that she wanted to be a physicist. She ended up taking some classes, going back to school and now has a PhD in physics. I don't remember the exact time frame, but I want to say it took less than 12 years, which is about the same amount of time from Thor: The Dark World to Wandavision. I know quite a few science and engineering PhDs who completed their post-HS educations in 10-12 years (4 years undergrad + 2 years M.S. + 4-6 years PhD). One of my professors in college received undergrad, M.S., and PhDs in computer science in a total about 8-9 years.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Feb 15, 2021 12:14:20 GMT -5
For what it’s worth my first major was physics, with an astrophysics emphasis. I switched to political science a couple semesters in because I was more interested in politics than science at that point. I was equally good at calculus and writing about realpolitik.
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Post by shaxper on Feb 17, 2021 22:09:24 GMT -5
So Mephisto is behind all this, right? Pietro makes a lot of Hell references in the newest episode. Maybe the director of SWORD made a deal with the devil, as Wanda clearly didnt create this scenario and he clearly wants something from it.
Also, is it possible Pietro is Adam Warlock? He clearly has a self awareness the others do not have and was not what Wanda expected. I could see a backstory explaining why Adam Warlock was in the mindstone prior to this and then expressed himself through Wanda's infinity gem-powered fantasy. |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Feb 18, 2021 8:07:05 GMT -5
Reading these fan theories is almost as fun as watching the show itself.
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Post by shaxper on Feb 18, 2021 11:51:17 GMT -5
Reading these fan theories is almost as fun as watching the show itself. I would argue that it's the best part. I adore this show but honestly wonder if it will have any re-watchability for me once it's over. |
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Post by Confessor on Feb 19, 2021 5:34:13 GMT -5
Reading these fan theories is almost as fun as watching the show itself. I would argue that it's the best part. I adore this show but honestly wonder if it will have any re-watchability for me once it's over. Off-topic, but that's kind of how I feel about Game of Thrones. My wife and I got really into that program and the sudden, unexpected plot twists and the fan rumour mill were two of the most enjoyable aspects of whatching the show. Having watched it to its conclusion, I'm not sure it has enough to offer as a re-watchable experience without that element of surprise and the viewer trying to guess where the narrative is headed. |
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) to cast Reed Richards as an aerospace engineer. To movie and TV writers, all science and engineering is the same. They regularly write characters that are said to have expertise in a particular field, but after while they turn out to be a genius at everything remotely scientific. It's like they use "engineer" or "-ologist" as a stand-in for "really really smart guy that can invent any tech, cure any disease, or hack any network the show requires". In the MCU, Bruce Banner has dabbled in physics, biochemistry, artificial intelligence, robotics, and medicine. Tony Stark was initially a genius engineer, but then invents a new element and solves time travel. So yeah, at this point I'd say casting Reed Richards as an aerospace engineer doesn't limit his capabilities at all.
