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Post by shaxper on Dec 22, 2015 11:00:58 GMT -5
C) I'm just impressed you own so much of the guy's work. Most of my comic book buying these days is determined by the review threads I write. I hunted down all that Moench stuff specifically so I could write about it  |
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Post by Warmonger on Dec 22, 2015 11:04:28 GMT -5
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Post by Crimebuster on Dec 22, 2015 11:07:44 GMT -5
So, circa 1987, does anyone in the DCU recall the JLD? Did that still happen, because I don't think anything else that occurred in the DCU prior to 1986 did. In the Giffen/Dematteis run, is that the first Justice League team ever assembled, and, if not, is the JLD acknowledged as having come before it? Yes, the end of the Detroit League was a Legends crossover, just as the new Justice League spun out of Legends. There was actually no break in publishing. The last issue of the Detroit League had a cover date of April, 1987. The first new Justice League issue was dated May, 1987. Everyone in the DCU was well aware of the Detroit League Post-Crisis.  |
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Post by shaxper on Dec 22, 2015 11:10:55 GMT -5
So, circa 1987, does anyone in the DCU recall the JLD? Did that still happen, because I don't think anything else that occurred in the DCU prior to 1986 did. In the Giffen/Dematteis run, is that the first Justice League team ever assembled, and, if not, is the JLD acknowledged as having come before it? Yes, the end of the Detroit League was a Legends crossover, just as the new Justice League spun out of Legends. There was actually no break in publishing. The last issue of the Detroit League had a cover date of April, 1987. The first new Justice League issue was dated May, 1987. Everyone in the DCU was well aware of the Detroit League Post-Crisis. But isn't this Justice League a continuation of the Pre-Crisis team?? |
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Post by Crimebuster on Dec 22, 2015 11:19:14 GMT -5
InterestingBut isn't this Justice League a continuation of the Pre-Crisis team?? Yes. And as far as I can remember - I haven't read these in a long while - there's no break at all really in the story. I don't think Crisis has any actual effect on the Detroit League continuity, they just keep going like nothing happened. For an event that was supposed to simplify things, Crisis couldn't possibly have failed its primary objective worse than it did. This sort of thing is why as a kid I gave up on the DCU; I started reading just a couple months before Crisis and got so confused by wtf was supposed to be happening that I just dumped all of it and focused on Marvel instead. |
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Post by Hoosier X on Dec 22, 2015 11:19:34 GMT -5
Just to complicate things for you - I'd enjoy the heck out of a JLDetroit thread. Bwaa-ha-ha . . . meh. But I read and enjoy all your review threads (except for Batman, but I'm just sick of the character these days). Hee hee. I love Batman SO MUCH! But I ordered so many issues of Detective Comics the last few weeks (and I've been reading Batman for some of the stuff I'm writing (and plan to write) for the Batman Appreciation Thread) that I'm a little Batmanned out. (I don't think this has ever happened before.) So I took my nephew to the comic book store (he made over $100 selling some stuff at a yard sale, plus he has been hoarding his allowance and holiday cash) so he could spend $25 on Futurama comics and several issues of Invader Zim. I haven't bought new comics for a while so I started looking around and bought three comics - ALL WITH BATMAN! I got two recent issues of Detective (Jim Gordon Bunny-Ears Batman) and Batman '66 #30. Batman '66 is as good as I've been hearing! |
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Post by Hoosier X on Dec 22, 2015 11:21:47 GMT -5
For an event that was supposed to simplify things, Crisis couldn't possibly have failed its primary objective worse than it did. Word. |
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Post by shaxper on Dec 22, 2015 11:30:30 GMT -5
For an event that was supposed to simplify things, Crisis couldn't possibly have failed its primary objective worse than it did. This sort of thing is why as a kid I gave up on the DCU Oh, absolutely. I feel a bit like an expert on that now, what with both the Superman and Batman review threads. But it sounds like the Giffen/Dematteis #1 is the closest thing to a clean break we get, so I think I'll probably start there after all if I do this thing. Sorry, Hoosier  |
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Post by Hoosier X on Dec 22, 2015 12:00:29 GMT -5
For an event that was supposed to simplify things, Crisis couldn't possibly have failed its primary objective worse than it did. This sort of thing is why as a kid I gave up on the DCU Oh, absolutely. I feel a bit like an expert on that now, what with both the Superman and Batman review threads. But it sounds like the Giffen/Dematteis #1 is the closest thing to a clean break we get, so I think I'll probably start there after all if I do this thing. Sorry, Hoosier Don't sweat it, shax. JLD is almost universally reviled. (And rightfully so, if I'm honest.) But I liked it anyway. It had a lot of potential that was mostly squandered, with a lot of great art and a few above-average storylines. Some comic-book runs are must-read and some are ... not quite so essential. I love The Secret Society of Super-Villains but I only recommend it to people who like mid-1970s Bronze Age Insanity. JLD isn't even as good as SSOSV. |
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Post by Crimebuster on Dec 22, 2015 12:11:48 GMT -5
JLD is terrible, which is probably why I'm slowly putting together a full run of it from quarter bins.
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Post by shaxper on Dec 22, 2015 12:12:10 GMT -5
I am REALLY surprised by the results, thus far. I expected far more love for Superman and far less for Nick Fury and Master of Kung Fu.
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Post by tingramretro on Dec 22, 2015 12:25:15 GMT -5
InterestingBut isn't this Justice League a continuation of the Pre-Crisis team?? Yes. And as far as I can remember - I haven't read these in a long while - there's no break at all really in the story. I don't think Crisis has any actual effect on the Detroit League continuity, they just keep going like nothing happened. The only significant difference I can think of is that post-Crisis, the Martian invasion that had caused the original JLA to disband prior to the Detroit team's formation was retconned as having been an invasion by "unidentified aliens", since Martian Manhunter was now the last of his kind. |
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Post by tingramretro on Dec 22, 2015 13:25:46 GMT -5
So, circa 1987, does anyone in the DCU recall the JLD? Did that still happen, because I don't think anything else that occurred in the DCU prior to 1986 did. Actually, the majority of pre-Crisis continuity was retained, at least initially; most of DC's then ongoing books, including JLA, LSH, Infinity Inc, Green Lantern, Firestorm and Blue Devil, simply continued straight through with their continuity unbroken. There were changes to the history of certain characters, but All-Star Squadron and Infinity Inc, in particular, actually dealt with those changes in-continuity, with some characters being totally aware of them. The only really major exceptions were Wonder Woman (which was cancelled) and the Superman and Batman titles (which were rebooted within months of the Crisis ending). The principal difference between Crisis and Flashpoint is that in the former, the rule of thumb was "it all still happened, unless we specify that it didn't" whereas in the latter, it seems to be "none of it happened, unless we specify that it did". A subtle but important distinction. |
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Post by shaxper on Dec 22, 2015 13:30:14 GMT -5
So, circa 1987, does anyone in the DCU recall the JLD? Did that still happen, because I don't think anything else that occurred in the DCU prior to 1986 did. Actually, the majority of pre-Crisis continuity was retained, at least initially; most of DC's then ongoing books, including JLA, LSH, Infinity Inc, Green Lantern, Firestorm and Blue Devil, simply continued straight through with their continuity unbroken. There were changes to the history of certain characters, but All-Star Squadron and Infinity Inc, in particular, actually dealt with those changes in-continuity, with some characters being totally aware of them. The only really major exceptions were Wonder Woman (which was cancelled) and the Superman and Batman titles (which were rebooted within months of the Crisis ending). The principal difference between Crisis and Flashpoint is that in the former, the rule of thumb was "it all still happened, unless we specify that it didn't" whereas in the latter, it seems to be "none of it happened, unless we specify that it did". A subtle but important distinction. I think it's safer to say that there was no general trend across the company that adequately describes how the Pre-Crisis/Post-Crisis continuity was handled. After all, Wonder Woman had a clear reset while Wonder Girl hung around, only to get her origin retconned years later; Batman's Pre-Crisis continuity went almost completely out the window, but Nightwing hung around without any interruption to his continuity; Superman got a clear reset, and yet there were minor acknowledgements of past continuity that bled through (including his first run-in with Booster Gold). Most of the series I've followed chose clearly to NOT align with pre-Crisis continuity, but those are just the ones I've read. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Dec 22, 2015 13:34:28 GMT -5
A BWHAHAHA league thread! Wow, that'd be amazing! I voted for Superman, though, because I want those reviewed to see if I want them.
@ Shax - The Detroit league definitely still happened post crisis. Vixen & Gypsy talk about it in JLTF.
Edit: Never mind, I see others have answered.
There was a really good mini called JLA: Incarnations or some such that would give you a good primer if you need it.
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