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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2023 20:23:06 GMT -5
Shaxper had asked to keep replies offline so I was going to PM folks here separately, but since a couple of folks have posted, I just wanted to say I way overreacted. I'm apologizing to all, and Reptisaurus! I'm sorry for derailing your thread (along with my angry comment to you and zaku and MDG which was way out of line to all of you, as well as my other comments to shaxper, I hope you can forgive me). Duragizer, you have my sincere apology as well, I don't want you to feel sick about this at all and you should have my PM back to you. The meltdown is on me 100%. |
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Post by zaku on Dec 18, 2023 3:29:10 GMT -5
A few days ago, I read JLA #111, where Ivy is a member of the Injustice Gang. It’s her fifth appearance. I think that in the Pre-Crisis universe Ivy had many untold adventures, because otherwise it is not clear why within the stories she is treated as a first-class villain and not as a thief with a strange fetish for plants that Batman has encountered a handful (even less) of times. |
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Post by Hoosier X on Dec 18, 2023 6:15:50 GMT -5
A few days ago, I read JLA #111, where Ivy is a member of the Injustice Gang. It’s her fifth appearance. I think that in the Pre-Crisis universe Ivy had many untold adventures, because otherwise it is not clear why within the stories she is treated as a first-class villain and not as a thief with a strange fetish for plants that Batman has encountered a handful (even less) of times. Ivy’s unknown 1960s adventures would make a great mini-series. |
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Post by MDG on Dec 18, 2023 10:46:35 GMT -5
A few days ago, I read JLA #111, where Ivy is a member of the Injustice Gang. It’s her fifth appearance. I think that in the Pre-Crisis universe Ivy had many untold adventures, because otherwise it is not clear why within the stories she is treated as a first-class villain and not as a thief with a strange fetish for plants that Batman has encountered a handful (even less) of times. I think a big part of it is that at the time DC wanted at least some female representation in things like the Injustice Gang but didn't have a big bench of female villains. And since the injustice Gang seemed to be (purposefully?) a bunch of B-listers, Julie may not have wanted to put Catwoman or Star Sapphire in there. |
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Post by zaku on Dec 18, 2023 11:03:48 GMT -5
I think that in the Pre-Crisis universe Ivy had many untold adventures, because otherwise it is not clear why within the stories she is treated as a first-class villain and not as a thief with a strange fetish for plants that Batman has encountered a handful (even less) of times. I think a big part of it is that at the time DC wanted at least some female representation in things like the Injustice Gang but didn't have a big bench of female villains. And since the injustice Gang seemed to be (purposefully?) a bunch of B-listers, Julie may not have wanted to put Catwoman or Star Sapphire in there. Probably this is the same reason why they put her in the "jury" of Where Were You on the Night Batman Was Killed? story |
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Post by Hoosier X on Dec 18, 2023 11:32:51 GMT -5
I think a big part of it is that at the time DC wanted at least some female representation in things like the Injustice Gang but didn't have a big bench of female villains. And since the injustice Gang seemed to be (purposefully?) a bunch of B-listers, Julie may not have wanted to put Catwoman or Star Sapphire in there. Probably this is the same reason why they put her in the "jury" of Where Were You on the Night Batman Was Killed? story That jury was a mix of rather well-known villains and some villains who had only appeared a few times. In addition to Ivy, it was Scarecrow, Mr. Freeze, the Mad Hatter, the Spook and Signal-Man. I guess Signal-Man had decided to give up being the Blue Bowman. |
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Post by zaku on Dec 19, 2023 8:19:50 GMT -5
Probably this is the same reason why they put her in the "jury" of Where Were You on the Night Batman Was Killed? story That jury was a mix of rather well-known villains and some villains who had only appeared a few times. In addition to Ivy, it was Scarecrow, Mr. Freeze, the Mad Hatter, the Spook and Signal-Man. Another villain who have the animated show to thank for the renewed fame. I mean, before that he was in the comics limbo.   |
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Post by Duragizer on Dec 20, 2023 21:29:11 GMT -5
pre-BTAS Mr. Freeze wouldn't look out of place in a Devo line-up.
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Post by kasparhauser on Dec 21, 2023 16:44:41 GMT -5
Mr Freeze was killed by the Joker in 1991, before the animated series in Denny O Neils eternal crusade to erase Adam West:   |
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Post by zaku on Dec 21, 2023 17:04:43 GMT -5
And what he did with the Riddler?    Truly, he must have hated that show with the passion of a million exploding suns. |
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Post by Duragizer on Dec 21, 2023 21:29:13 GMT -5
The Adam West show isn't for me anymore, but I still think there's a place for ludicrous villains in a serious protagonist's rogues gallery.
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Post by zaku on Dec 22, 2023 2:46:05 GMT -5
The Adam West show isn't for me anymore, but I still think there's a place for ludicrous villains in a serious protagonist's rogues gallery. Of course, just make them incredibly grim and dark. Riddler in today's comics is an incredibly dangerous criminal second only to the Joker and Kite-Man is a tragic and complex figure (no joke, google it 😅) How Batman’s villain, Kite Man, went from a joke to a tragic figure |
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Post by chadwilliam on Dec 23, 2023 1:01:20 GMT -5
The Adam West show isn't for me anymore, but I still think there's a place for ludicrous villains in a serious protagonist's rogues gallery. Of course, just make them incredibly grim and dark. Riddler in today's comics is an incredibly dangerous criminal second only to the Joker and Kite-Man is a tragic and complex figure (no joke, google it 😅) How Batman’s villain, Kite Man, went from a joke to a tragic figureWhen The Riddler first appeared in the Bat-titles after the Crisis, it was in 1990's three-part "Dark Knight, Dark City" storyline - a very well written story by Peter Milligan, but yep, if you're going to reintroduce The Riddler during Denny O Neil's tenure, expect to read a story where a demon possessed Edward Nigma forces Batman to perform a tracheotomy on a baby. He shows up again around that time in John Byrne's Batman 3-D where he actually apologizes to The Joker for ripping off his act and, if I recall correctly, wasn't used again until Knightfall when he was pumped full of venom so he can become a real challenge for Batman. It's strange - The Riddler was one of Batman's top foes and yet he was being consistently treated as if he were equivalent to Terra Man or something. |
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Post by zaku on Dec 23, 2023 4:02:44 GMT -5
The Riddler was one of Batman's top foes and yet he was being consistently treated as if he were equivalent to Terra Man or something. Poor Terra-Man, don't you know? He's one of the 9 deadliest Superman's foes! 🤣🤣🤣 By the way, Terra-Man was always considered a, well, joke or is a reputation which he earned in later years..? |
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